Rarer Philip I Additions!!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Not too long ago I acquired 1 scarce & 1 rare Philip I tetradrachms.

    As usual, I got both at great prices.

    The Antioch is special due to the officina letter in reverse field.

    The Egypt Alexandrian Tet is a rare reverse type. Only found 1 example and thanks @TIF for the help she provided with it.

    Needless to say, I was pretty excited to add them.

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    Philip I (244 - 249 A.D.)
    Syria, Seleucis and Pieria. Antioch
    Billon Tetradrachm
    O: AVTOK K M IOVΛ ΦIΛIΠΠOC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
    R: DHMAPX EZOVCIAC , Eagle standing right, head left with wreath in beak, S - C in field, A at upper right. MON VRB in exergue.
    Rome Mint
    27mm
    12.06g
    Prieur 305

    Scarce with officina letter in reverse field.

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    Philip I (244 - 249 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Billion Tetradrachm
    O: A K M IOV ΦIΛIΠΠOC EVC, laureate and draped bust right.
    R: Alexandria standing left, facing, clothed in elephant hide, holding stalks in hand, vixellium in other, L-Δ in field.
    Year 4 = 246-247 AD
    23.5mm
    13.9g
    Alexandria 4853; Dattari 2725, Emmett # 3468
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Very nice @Mat

    I love the eagle on the first coin.
     
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  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    I love that Alexandria reverse!
     
  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice couple of pickups, Mat.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yes, they are nice @Mat
     
  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Cool coins - I had no idea the Syrian types struck in Rome had officina letters. First time I've seen one.
     
  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Both cool additions Mat!
     
  9. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Interesting additions - I like the Alexandrian reverse.
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Most don't. What is there besides A?
     

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  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    ^Thanks, everyone.
    @dougsmit
    Ones I saw looking for info on mine when I got it, I found: Γ, S, Δ, B, E

    Could be more.
     
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  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Very nice @Mat !! Congrats!!! I never cease to learn something new.
     
  13. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thanks!
     
  14. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member


    OP said his Syrian Tet was minted at Rome. How often did the mint at Rome use Greek numerals to designate an officina? Was that something special for work intended to circulate provincially?
     
  15. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I don't know, maybe someone else can answer it? @dougsmit
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Quite frequently at least later when there were more marked officinae coins. This was a relatively new idea in the middle of the third century. There even was one period during the Fel Temp Reparatio period that the Rome mint used a mixture of Latin ordinals and Greek numerals. P, B, T, Q, E, S, Z for 1 through 7. Black letters were ordinals Prima, Tertia, Quarta; Red were Greek numerals; the green S is both since the ordinal Sexta and the Greek numeral S for 6 look alike. This was the sort of thing Rome would do. They often marched to a different drummer.
     
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  17. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    Mat, two nice new additions to your collection. Congrats.

    ~Doug
     
  18. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    During the year of the Saeculares under Philip I officina numbers were applied on select games issues at Rome as Roman numerals I-VI. The blended list Doug gave for the later period was still limited to letters that appeared in the Latin alphabet, even though the eastern mints regularly used Greek letter/numerals. Distinctively Greek letters do not appear in that list. Which brings us back to the list Mat gave us.

    (emphasis mine).
    Mat, from the references you were checking could you show us an example of one of those two highlighted (Greek Γ, Δ) from Rome? I'm wondering if those really are officina numbers, though I can't imagine what else they would be.
     
  19. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Love those tets Mat. Well done!
     
  20. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thanks, David.

    @lrbguy

    Not my coins.

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    O: AYTOK K M IOYΛ ΦIΛIΠΠOY CЄB, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    R: ΔHMAPX ЄΞ OYCIAC, eagle standing facing, head and tail left, with wings spread, holding wreath in beak; Δ to upper right, S C across field, MON(eta) VRB(is) in exergue.
    Rome mint for Antioch
    25mm
    11.3g
    McAlee 901d; Prieur 308.

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    O: Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Eagle standing facing, head and tail left with wing’s spread, holding wreath in beak; Γ to upper right, MON(eta) VRB(is) in exergue.
    Rome mint for Antioch
    25mm
    13.6g
    McAlee 901(c); Prieur 307.
     
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  21. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    Perfect!! Thank you Mat, now the light has come on. Hadn't noticed that the rest of the lettering is in Greek, except for the Senatorial "SC." Since the issue was being struck particularly for circulation in a Greek speaking part of the empire, the numerals for the officinae are Greek, even when they resemble Latin letters. So the "A" is not A, it is alpha. This aspect of the function of the mint at Rome is new to me (actually it is I who am the newby) and I thank you for opening me up to it.

    Still trying to puzzle out the reverse inscription which reads as "demarkh exousias," as in tribunician authority? By the authority of the tribune? Anyone familiar with this Greek expression?
     
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