Anyone Know of Published Token Reference for "Charles F. Noble"?

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  1. Diplodocus

    Diplodocus Active Member

    Hi all!

    Back in June of this year I posted pics of a "C. NOBLE" counterstamped US large cent. @BRandM and @ExoMan noted that this is likely the same stamp noted by Greg Brunk as "G. NOBLE" in his book on countermarks.

    Since that time I've acquired a 19mm token with the initials "C.F.N." - The seller had this token described as a "C.F. Noble Token Cannon, Delaware". The small slab the token came in was labeled with a "N56" - Perhaps some kind of reference to a publication? I've tried emailing the seller but haven't received a response yet.

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    The "C. NOBLE" large cent (1845?) I have appears to have an identical script/font for the letters "C" and "N". . .
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    Here's what @ExoMan said in regard to the counterstamped large cent:
    So my questions are, first, are there any published references for tokens from Charles F. Noble. Second, what do the experts here think of attributing these two pieces to the same person?

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  3. Diplodocus

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    Pictured below is some of Charles F. Noble's engravings from a book entitled "The Wild Woman: or, The Wrecked Heart: Being the True Autobiography of the “Wild Woman,” Who Was Recently Exhibited at Cincinnati, and Was Rescued from Her Persecutors by the Citizens of That City, and Sent to the Insane Asylum at Dayton, Ohio"; the pictures are from the Princeton Library website:

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    The Princeton University Library website notes that Charles Noble was born circa 1833. Here's a link to the webpage these pics are from:
    https://graphicarts.princeton.edu/2017/04/13/cheap-and-well-illustrated/
     
  4. Diplodocus

    Diplodocus Active Member

    The tokencatalog website has the picture below on its website and notes Charles Fulton Noble - perhaps this is where the seller of the token I acquired came up with an attribution? I don't know that tokencatalog is a reputable source of information.

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  5. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Interesting pieces, and maybe from the same issuer. One small difference in the style. The periods in the token are square...a bit unusual...but are round on the coin. Maybe not significant, but worth noting.

    My initial thought was that N-56 was a designation by Brunk, because he does use this style to identify different issues. Although he does have a designation N-56 in his listings, it's for a completely different piece. Normally, he doesn't list initials-only counterstamps as there are so many of them, and nearly all are unidentified.

    Another thing. I don't know the purpose of your token, as it has no value attached to it. It may simply be a pocket piece carried by the issuer.

    I'll look into the Token Catalog website, and see if anything comes from it, and snoop around the internet as well.

    Bruce
     
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  6. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    The Token Catalog lists this token as TC 182358 or Miller De200-N5a not N56. Miller is the guru of Delaware trade tokens, so his attribution is likely correct. Although there's no picture provided, the description fits yours, so it's probably the same animal. I'm hesitant about linking this one to the "C.Noble" counterstructk coin, although the font styles are very similar. It's always possible that the punches were simply cut by the same man.

    Bruce
     
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  7. Diplodocus

    Diplodocus Active Member

    Thanks so much for your thoughts on this Bruce, and for the Miller reference.
    I'll update here later if I learn anything further about these pieces.
     
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