Chinese yun-nan 50 cent coins genuine or counterfeit?

Hey guys,

what do you think about these 2 50 cent yun-nan province coins?
are they real or fake?
If they are real, how much do you think they would go for?

Thanks

 

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weight? magnetic?

 

I know next to nothing about the genuine article, but have seen a ton of the cheap knockoffs. Unfortunately, this very much reminds me of the latter...

 

Thx for your answers guys.

the 1908: weight: 13,28 grams; diameter: 33mm; thickness: around 2mm
the 1909-1911: weight: 13,16 grams; diameter 33mm; thickness: around 2mm

both are non magnetic

judging by their looks and the sound they make (''Ping-Test'') they are silver

 

Your coins are within tolerance of genuine. Based on die characteristics they look genuine. You said they ping like silver. I would also conduct a non destructive silver test to determine the exact composition. That said, they should be examined by a Chinese expert. My opinion would be genuine.

 

Im sorry but i dont believe your coins are authentic. The eyes are a good indicator. Chinese silver coins for late Qing dynasty and Empire times are the most counterfeited coins in the world. If you believe they still are real, submit 1 to a reputable grading service and you will get your answer. But i would guess you would be in for 1+ month disappointment. I would look up the same year type coins graded by pcgs and/or ngc and select ones of a similiargrade to yours and compare.

Anyway. Good luck

 

Damn, these coins seem like a tough nut to crack.
Speaking from my own experience, I'm pretty sure they are silver coins.
I compared these 2 to pictures of the real thing and the details match for the most part (except some worn letters, can also be from weak dies).
On the other hand is the fact that the chinese have mastered their skill of producing forgeries of these types of silver coins.
If I had to rely on my gut feeling, which hasn't failed me in 98% percent of the time and my overly sceptical caution when it comes to genuity of silver coins, I would say they are real.
But I will bring them to an expert for an appraisal and tell you guys how it went.
Thanks for your answers and I know that judging a coin's authenticity (especially when it's chinese!!) can be hard just from pictures. So thank you guys for your advice

 

I love it! So far, only @britannia40 has backed up his opinion.

I cannot magnify the images so the coins look genuine. These days, that means nothing. The "good" counterfeits are too deceptive to detect except by experts. For over a decade, our country has been flooded with excellent fakes that have been bought, sold, and slabbed as genuine. Anything that is this nice looking (whether genuine or C/F) is going to weigh correctly and NOT be magnetic. The crude magnetic counterfeits are so poorly made that they can be detected with your eyes alone if you know what the surface and sharpness of a genuine Chinese coin looks like.

One other problem: There are so many different varieties of these coins that I cannot remember ever seeing two coins struck from the same die.

 

Yeah you're right. I instantly thought one of these two was a fake because of the design discrepancies...then I realized it was a ''9 flames on the pearl''-variety and the design matched. Like I said, I will bring them to an expert some time, but since I bought them from a very reputable seller (NOT EBAY!!!) and they are silver and show no signs of obvious fakes, I'm just gonna assume they are authentic until then.
Thanks for your answer