Fingerprints after grading

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by globaldjs, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Wearing gloves reduces dexterity, and the glove material itself comes in contact with more than just the edges of the coin (as it pushes around the edge when holding the coin), so it's not a great idea to wear gloves when handling coins. That said, gloves do protect from the oils and moisture (or mustard!) that some folks have on their hands. Oils and moisture are the enemy, and are what make a fingerprint. I will only handle coins after washing my hands, and giving plenty of time to dry. Sometimes I will use alcohol instead of soap and water if I need to handle coins immediately.

    One time I went into a coin shop looking for BU rolls of Lincoln Cents. The owner put a box of rolls in front of me, and then asked to shake my hand. He "passed" me for handling his coins, and said that a lot of folks have "chronically-wet" hands. I really hope none of these folks are in the coin grading business, or if they are, that they are wearing gloves...it's better to have gloves contact a coin than wet hands!

    My final $0.02...touching the edges of a coin will indeed cause problems if your hands are not clean and dry. Skin oils can soak onto the coin surface and cause problems. Clean, dry hands won't cause these problems.
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I used to use thin cotton gloves for searching bags of UNC Lincolns. Past that I don't see the need for gloves.
     
  4. OK. Everybody has there own opinions. I mainly state for proof coins being sent for grading. Everything is just my humble opinion. Everybody does what they want. Have a good weekend folks.
     
  5. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Proofs require different etiquette than business strikes.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You do realize that fingerprints are invisible on coins until they have been there for a period of time don't you ? In fact they are invisible on most things. Which is why the cops have to use a fingerprint kit just to be able to see them.

    It is not just common for fingerprints to suddenly become visible on coins when they were not visible previously - it is the rule.
     
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  7. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    A fingerprint on a proof coin would be pretty obvious immediately, but it could also be removed very easily. The ones shown early in the thread do not look like recent prints IMHO.
     
  8. oz_in_ohio

    oz_in_ohio Active Member

    jwitten hit it on the head...scan the coin before you send it in at a high reso;ution and in these message s say what you did with pictures attached...That way if anything goes wrong, the grading company is totally to blame
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    While some might think an idea like that would work, it won't. Pictures do not prove anything. That's because every time you change the lighting, change the angle of the lighting, change any of the angles at which you take the picture, or change the settings on the camera - the picture will show, or not show, something you could not see in other pictures. And besides that pictures can be easily altered after they are taken.

    So no, pictures do not prove anything.
     
  10. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    People touch coins... If they are not Proofs.. its no ones fault after that.
     
  11. E Pluribus Unum

    E Pluribus Unum Active Member

    This was the first thing that came mind. If there is this much concern and suspicion with fingerprints, then all employees of TPG companies should have their fingerprints on file. That fingerprint is very pronounced and could be easily traced to an employee. If there is no match, then it would be safe to assume that the TPG company is not at fault.

    The thing is that I do not know how often this occurs. With the plethora of coins being graded, the logistics may present a challenge. Regardless, if a system were in place, a fingerprint like the one would solve the case.

    Please don't reply "edited" This only an idea.:smuggrin:
     
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  12. I couldn't agree more. Let all the graders have there prints on file, And if issues present themselves, The fingerprints will "speak" for themselves.
     
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  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Well if that became a thing then people would need to be prepared for their coins to be gone for many months, pay for the entire process, get back details coins every time or pay for conservation afterwards ect.
     
  14. Well Baseball, If your prized possession were in the thousands of dollars range, You send it in to have graded, And you know your coin(s) were in pristine condition when sent in, Then all of a sudden you get it back and you notice something on the coin(s) that weren't there when you sent it in, How would you feel ? I would go through the roof being a New Yorker.
     
  15. coinsareus10

    coinsareus10 Well-Known Member

    I would go through my barn being a Texan. I vote no gloves.:)
     
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  16. More importantly... Hearts go out to you folks in Texas.. Stay safe my friend...
     
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  17. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    I saw a 1964-D dime on E-Bay with a thumb print on the reverse. So I thought of this thread. It wasn't graded, but, the print was rainbow toned. The field behind the print was blast white. There was some other toning going on near the fingerprint. I just hadn't seen only a print toned. Maybe toned fingerprints will bring a premium. I didn't get a link.
     
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