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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I enjoy collecting the Quinarius denomination. Yeah, that is a little odd, but they are fun, overlooked, and can be pretty difficult to capture (some can be pretty scarce and rare).

    I have posted my "common" Cato Quinarius a few times, and love the super wild Bust on the Obverse... Really looks like Wild-man Gaul--sh.

    It was represented as official, but I have to agree with @red_spork . I believe it is a Celtic Imative... Ok, cool. But that left me with NO official Cato Quinarii in my collection. Wow... such a "common" Quinarius, but I don't HAVE one? Whatta Dope.

    In comes @Valentinian with a cool OFFICIAL Quinarius in his eclectic collection! Thanks Warren! I love your website and peruse it often for super gems to fill in my collection.

    The REAL Cato:

    (Yeah, LOL, stole your pic Warren.)
    RR AR Quinarius 89 BCE M Porcius Cato Crawford 342-2. Sear 248.JPG
    RR AR Quinarius 89 BCE M Porcius Cato Crawford 343-2. Sear 248

    The Wild-man Cato (probly Imitating - a very Celtic look)
    RR Porcius Cato AR Quinarius 89 BC Bacchus Liber Victory seated S 248 Cr 343-2.jpg
    RR Porcius Cato AR Quinarius 89 BC Bacchus Liber Victory seated S 248 Cr 343-2

    Imitating Cato but with Octavian's Bust - Yeah, Cato relegated to the trash bin by a Celt!)
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    Imitating Octavian-M. Porcius Cato AR quinarius 13.89 mm 1.29g imitating Octavian r blundered legend - Victory seated r patera Cr 343-462 RARE
    Ex the Wild-man @John Anthony 's collection

    PLEASE POST ANY OF YOUR IMITATIONS, QUINARII, or ANY OTHER COOL COIN!
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice one from Warren. Here are my only quinarii:
    T CLOULIS.jpg
    T CLOULIS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS CLOULIA
    AR Quinarius
    OBVERSE: Laureate head of Jupiter right
    REVERSE: T CLOVLI, Victory crowning trophy on top of Gaulish captive
    Struck at Rome 98 BC
    2.1g, 13mm
    Cr332/1, Syd 586, Cloulia 2
    C. EGNATULEIUS.jpg
    C. EGNATULEIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS EGNATULEIUS
    AR QuinariusOBVERSE: Laureate head of Apollo; behind, C. EGATVLEI C. F. Q.
    REVERSE: Victory l., inscribing shield attached to trophy; beside trophy, carnyx; between Victory and trophy, Q; in ex
    Struck at Rome, 97 BC
    1.6g, 18mm
    Crawford 333/1, Egnatueleia 1, Syd 588
    M. PORCIUS CATO.jpg
    M. PORCIUS CATO; GENS PORCIA
    AR Quinarius
    OBVERSE: M • CATO • PRO • PR, wreathed head of Liber right
    REVERSE: Victory seated right, holding palm branch over her left shoulder and patera in her right hand, VICTRIX in ex
    Utica, Africa 47-46 BC
    1.4 g, 13 mm
    Cr462/2, Porcia 11
    Augustus 1.jpg
    AUGUSTUS
    AR Quinarius
    OBVERSE: IMP VII CAESAR - Bare head right
    REVERSE: ASIA RECEPTA - Victory standing left on cippus, holding wreath and palm, snake on either side
    Uncertain Italian Mint 29-27 BC
    1.7g, 13mm
    RIC 276, S 1568
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Interesting and nice find.

    It would bug me to have an Imative and not an official.
     
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  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Way cool!!!

    So many of us approach collecting on a similar basis---in this case denomination and historical context.

    Here are my two favorite 'quinarii':

    Struck about 98 BC by T Cloulius (or Cloelius, Siver Quinarius, 1.72 grams, 16.6 mm) and refers to Marius' victories over the Teutones and Ambrones at Aquae Sextiae in 102 BC and the Cimbri at Vercellae in 101 BC. It's also believed this issue helped finance Marius' settlement of his veterans primarily in Cisalpine Gaul.

    Laureate head of Jupiter, F with pellet above and below. Victory palm in left over shoulder, crowning trophy with wreath at right; seated Gallic captive and carnyx (war trumpet) at base of trophy, T CLOVI downward in center.
    rr quinarius c cloelius-- marius and teutones cimbri.jpg


    [​IMG]
    Fulvia, first wife of Mark Antony 42 BC. Lugdunum (Lyon)
    Quinarius AR 12mm, 1,48g.
    Bust of Victory right, with the likeness of Fulvia / Lion walking right between A and XL; LVGV in exergue, DVNI above.
    Crawford 489/5; CRI 122; Sydenham 1160; RSC 4.


    Now, I'm interested in a snack of Trajan---a 'semis':D
     
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  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coins @Alegandron

    2 Catos



    Denarius



    Cato_NN_lot_560.jpg



    Quinarius
    cato NN 391.jpg

    Both of these are Ex: E.E. Clain Stefanelli. It is nice to have the set.


    Marcus Antonius
    M ANT Quin NEW.jpg

    I love the Victory and the raven on this one.
     
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  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    The quinarius is a very cool denomination. During imperial times it was struck sparingly. Here is one of my favourite Flavian examples, the first one I acquired.

    V535.jpg
    Titus Caesar
    AR Quinarius, 1.60g
    Rome mint, 73 AD
    RIC V535 (R), BMC V92, RSC 374
    Obv: T CAES IMP VESP P TR P CENS; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTI; Victory adv. r., with wreath and palm
    15mm, 1.60 gm
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection, acquired from Tom Cederlind. Ex Baldwin's Auction 42, 26 September 2005, lot 288 (part). Ex William C. Boyd Collection, acquired from W.S. Lincoln, February 1896.

    V535tag.jpg

    I'd love to be able to fill that large gap in the provenance between 1896 and 2005!
     
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  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Sweet quinarii everyone. Apparently I haven't gotten real because I still don't have a Quinarius
    :( . Oh well, all in good time.
     
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  9. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    It wouldn't bother me at all. Some of those imitiatives are real gems and have cool styles for the portraits. I still would like to have an official coin of any imitative coin I got, but I wouldn't shun imitatives.
     
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  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Interesting Cato coins @Alegandron !
    I have a few V coins -
    DSCN0468.JPG DSCN0469.JPG MT
    164D.jpg 164R.jpg a tiny Q.TITI
    P1011680.JPG P1011682.JPG Quinarius L Cr97.2 coin flip 6.15.14.jpg one with a provenance to the ground
     
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  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very cool
    My only quinarius
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  12. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    There is no gap David. The Boyd collection was held intact--I assume by Boyd's descendants-- until the 2005 Baldwin's auction.
     
  13. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Thanks for that bit of info Phil! I suppose that explains why the tags stayed with many of the pieces.
     
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  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    my one lonely quinarius.


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    C. Egnatuleius C.f. 97 BC. AR Quinarius Rome mint.

    O:Laureate head of Apollo R: Victory standing left, inscribing shield attached to trophy; at base, carnyx to left; Q in field. Crawford 333/1; King 36 14x16 mm, 2.0g.
     
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  15. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Nice job getting "the real deal"! My only solid silver imitative is a type for which I don't have an official example of. I need to get a new picture as it was relatively freshly cleaned when I found it and has toned down considerably since then:
    cfCr408.1aImitative.JPG

    Not an imitative, but my favorite quinarius. A rare later-style "H" series quinarius with a style unlike that of most examples of the type:
    Cr085.1a-AltStyle.jpg
     
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