GTG: 1858 Flying Eagle (raw)

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Dougmeister, Aug 17, 2017.

  1. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    This is not my coin, and I already have an expert opinion on the grade, but I wanted to put this out there to the CT community.

    Since it is raw, there is no prize for whoever guesses correctly, but I am curious to see how y'all grade her.

    So... a) grade, b) why, c) anything else you care to add.

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  3. McBlzr

    McBlzr Sr Professional Collector

    MS-64 Looks Great Wish it was mine :inpain:
     
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  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Odd one, this. It presents with a weak strike but a weird combination of weak strike and what appears to be visible wear in places one wouldn't expect a weak strike. So, from just these images (meaning you take it with a grain of salt which wouldn't fit into a wheelbarrow), I'm calling it AU55. And the surfaces seem off to me.

    Another set of differently-lit images might change my mind completely, because the top of the reverse looks as-struck and half of me wants to believe it Uncirculated.
     
  5. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    Very nice Flying Eagle. I would love it as well. I am probably wrong, I usually am. From the picture it looks like it was cleaned a long time ago. Weak strike to begin with. Also slight rubs on the high points, around the eye tips of the feathers, on reverse on high points as well. AU 58, MS 60 on a good day.
     
  6. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    It looks indeed like an AU/UNC cleaned coin, but as previous posters pointed out, different pictures could change everything. I still like the coin, as it doesn't seem to have any hairlines and personally, I don't mind the color being slightly off...

    anything else I'd like to add? Well, here's mine with a very original color - if I am not mistaken... I am not really a "Cents guy" :)

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  7. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    +1.........I couldn't have said it better.
     
  8. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    SD, what places would you not expect a weak strike?

    How do the surfaces seem "off"?
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    AU details, cleaned.
     
  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    The best example of wear vs. strike, for me, is the flowers (buds?) adjacent to the lower leaves, at 5:00 and 7:00. Those aren't high points on the strike, yet their detail is lacking, especially when compared to the interiors of the adjacent leaves (which wouldn't be subject to early wear). That said, from just these images I probably wouldn't argue an adjudication of "Uncirculated."

    As regards color, I've no background visible with which to evaluate the accuracy of the color correction in the images. Therefore, I'm forced to consider it accurate, and some of my points hold either way, anyways.

    First, the combination of those two distinct hues - reddish and yellow-orange - seems unnatural on the same coin, in that pattern. Then we factor the splotches of darker brown, obviously not patina, especially since they seem confined mostly to the yellow-orange areas. It adds up, to me, to be most likely a coin recovering from a cleaning.

    But above all, don't forget my tendency to overthink things. :)
     
  11. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing AU Details QC. I think both PCGS and NGC are very tough on copper with color like this.
     
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  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Very late to this party, but AU Details.
     
  13. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It almost looks fake. Color and detailing are very odd.

    I'd stay away from it if I were you. If real, it has been seriously messed with.
     
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