I am looking at the origin of this coin/token

A new addition where I can make any sense of it. Hope someone can help?

 

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Wow! I am of no help! Sorry!

 

Normans in Calabria, Roger I (1072-1101 AD), AE trifollaro. Obverse shows the king on horseback, reverse shows Virgin Mary seated with baby Jesus (who has a halo that looks like a space helmet). Here's an old thread that shows a better-preserved example of this coin:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/roger-i-a-norman-in-calabria.275843/

Cool find, I wish I had one of these in my collection!

 

That's sooo cool!!!!!

 

Thank you, Found it had a special currency. But without the origin, it was just a nice piece of metal.
Now, however, determined, gives them a source to history price. That is also one of the reasons why I love antique coins.
Once again thank you so much, because this is one of the most beautiful coins that I have from this period. And the first with a Norman histery.

 

interesting details on that one - especially the double-beaded border. Here's mine:


Norman Italy - Calabria
Roger I, r. 1072-1101 (1098-1101)
Mileto Mint AE Trifollaro, 28.04 mm x 8.3 grams
Obv.: ROG [ERVS] COME +S. Roger, mounted left wearing Norman helm, holding kite shield and striped banner
Rev.: + MARIA [MATE]R DNI (’N’ retrograde). Enthroned nimbate Virgin Mary holding on lap Christ child, nimbate and in swaddling clothes right
Ref.: De Wit 3789 [MEC 14,93]

 

Wow what a beautiful coin, and so detailed. You even can see the full head of Roger.

 

LOL, I abstained from voting, as my vote is for the Asterisk! *

 

I like the double border of dots, that is an unusual feature for any coin.

How many coins include a double border like that?

 

nice addition and way to attribute @FitzNigel

 

Thanks - to @Gwod Phrienz who revived this thread, you might have better luck checking in with the US Coins, or maybe the error Coins section.

Regarding the trifollaro, I happened to just get a book in the mail today on Southern Norman Coins, and it lists three varieties of these. The OP seems to fit the third variety, but mine fits none of the three listed... not so unusual with medieval coins though, hence why there is no true attempt to catalogue them all (I would maintain a website would be the way to go...)

 

I'd be interested to hear more details about those varieties.

 

Unfortunately the book does not provide a description, just three pictures:


131a and c are quite dark and hard to make out from the photos. The best I can tell in differences is some of the locations of letters compared to the designs. You'll note both b and c have the double beaded border like the OP. The obverses of b and c appear to be the same, but lettering on the reverses is different. The 'M' in 'Maria' is thin in b and wide in c - both begin under the child's head. Coin a has a thin 'M' like b, but the 'A' in 'Maria' is partly obscured by the Virgin's feet, but like coin c.


On my coin, the 'M' is wide, but begins above the child's head instead of below it. Also, the legend in the obverse follows the roundness of the die, rather than going straight across the banner such as coins b and c (I believe coin a's legend does the same thing as my coin, but it is nearly impossible to tell from the picture in the book).

The book is The Normans' coins of the Kingdom of Sicily by D'Andrea and Contreras. It's bilingual (English and Italian), and I suspect I'll be in for some interesting English grammar errors judging by the title... I'll do a review of it at some point (again, just got it yesterday, and I'm in the middle of another book right now)

 

Thanks! As far as I can tell, my example doesn't really fit comfortably into one of their types either, nor is it like yours. But it's difficult to say with those photos. (Too bad they didn't have Doug to help them!)

 

Do you have a picture of yours? I'd love to see the differences!

 

Not yet, I'm afraid! As soon as I do, I'll post here.

 

@FitzNigel: I finally took a photo!

 

Looks good! I finally got to pulling out my book to compare it, and you're right - it doesn't really fit any of the types listed. Granted the differences are so minor, I suspect we are just looking at die variations. Makes me wonder how many different dies there are...

 

I did not vote because I did not see a bacon option.