Definition of uncirculated

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  1. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Well that depends on how much cents can a billion chuck if a billion chuck could chuck cents.
     
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  3. ErolGarip

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    @Beefer518, - etymologically, yes, English too is my native language.
    But, is that important? In all seriousness, is 1cent your native money?
     
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  4. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    Ok then. :confused:
     
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  5. ErolGarip

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    No need to get confused. You have been probably familiar with 1cent for a long time...

    (ok guys, this little baby erol's sleeping time. good evening)
     
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  6. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    I reported it to the Quantum Entanglement Czar. He promised to speak to them sternly.
     
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  7. Kentucky

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    When he first posted, he said he was from Turkey. I tried to respond a few times and finally gave up.
     
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  8. Kentucky

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  9. ErolGarip

    ErolGarip Active Member

    Couldn't sleep because of thinking this. I had learnt for uncountables it is "how much" and for countables it is "how many". But, I see you use "how much cent".. You people out there, English is not your native language or when you see 1cent you are confused and using wrong English?
     
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  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

     
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  11. ErolGarip

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    Ok, i guess, there is no agreement between you all about "how much 1cent" or "how many 1cent"... Better to sleep now. Bye.
     
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  12. tommyc03

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    "Boom, Shaka Laka Laka Boom". (Private Benjamin) Just can't shake some of those movie quotes. lol.
     
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    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

     
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  14. Kentucky

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  15. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Have seen many coin collectors agreeing?
     
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It appears that at least some do not know or at the least do not understand why the definition of an uncirculated coin is so simple and straightforward. An uncirculated coin is one that has no wear. That's it, end of story, no other qualifiers or quantifiers. It absolutely does not matter where or how you find the coin, if it has no wear it is uncirclulated. If it does have wear, it is circulated.

    As I said above, it doesn't matter where the coin is, and yes that includes the mint building itself. There are a great many coins, a great many of them, that get wear on them before they ever leave the mint !

    And, from a purely technical point of view, for those to whom such things matter, from the moment that a coin, any coin, leaves the mint, it HAS been put into circulation - period.

    By the same token there are a great many coins that leave the mint and go into actual circulation that have no wear on them.

    All of these things are why the definition of uncirculated is what it is ! It is because there is no other qualifier or quantifier that actually works to be an accurate definition for uncirculated !

    And uncirculated coin is a coin that has no wear.

    And no, bag marks, contact marks, hits, dings, hairlines, and even small scratches ARE NOT wear. A coin with any or even all of these things can be and is correctly graded as uncirculated.

    And how exactly is wear defined ? Wear is defined as a break in the luster. It is also quite simple and straightforward. And there is no other definition.
     
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  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Because it doesn't exist. There currently is no AU-59 in use.
     
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  18. RonSanderson

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    Does anyone have photos to illustrate? Show a coin without luster break and a very similar coin with only enough luster break to keep it from grading MS?

    (Say, an AU59? I'm joking, but the idea of a 59 would be a coin as close to mint state as possible except for a minimal luster break.)

    I could use some education on this...
     
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  19. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I wasn't in the room deciding this, so I won't accept blame for it, but that is what AU58 has been determined to be.
     
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I could post thousands of pictures of coins in TPG slabs graded as MS, but they have breaks in the luster and are not MS at all. So posting pics doesn't always do a lot of good.

    For example, all 3 of these of these coins have breaks in the luster and are AU at best.

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    This one here only has very slight wear on the hair above the ear, the ear itself, and some of the hair curls below the ear. It would be a 58.

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    Now this one, it does not have any breaks in the luster.

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  21. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Are you absolutely certain what you're showing here isn't differences in the fullness of the strike? I'm not, but then again I'm missing the benefit of that 3rd dimension again. (My gripe du jour.) The shape of the 3rd dimension's boundary between the "unworn" area and where you see wear is of utmost importance to me. Many Morgans never had full ears and hair.
     
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