Helmet without a head

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    A while ago we had a good thread on helmets:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-helmet-types.297306/

    Of course, very many ancient coin types have helmets on some god, emperor, or personification. This one is different for depicting a helmet alone:

    ThraceMessembriaSNGCop658v.jpg
    AE. 20-19 mm.
    A Corinthian helmet right (no one wearing it)
    Oval Celtic shield. Reference works say "METAM" above [To me, the "T" looks more like an "M" or perhaps the "T" has huge vertical serifs down to the baseline. What letter is it really? A sideways sigma for the "S" in Mesembria? Because the reference works do not have better examples, that's my guess.]
    BPIANΩN below (left-to-right, which inclines me to orient the reverse this way, as opposed to the long axis of the shield up, which some references do.)
    Mid third-century BC, according to Stancomb.

    Mesembria, Thrace (Black Sea Area)
    SNG BM Black Sea 276v (their helmet is left, not right)
    SNG Stancomb 229-230
    SNG Copenhagen 658.
    Sear Greek --. BMC Greek Thrace --.
    Those examples are in significantly lower condition than this one.

    I'm sure some of you have the silver facing helmet type from Mesembria. Show Us! Or, show any helmet-without-head you have.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Great helmet.
     
  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    I approve of this coin.

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    I don't have a helmet without a head, but here is some armor that doesn't have a body or isn't part of a trophy display.


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    Magnesia, Ionia. c. 400 BC

    Obv. Laureate head of Apollo left. Rev. Cuirass, M - A in fields. SNG Kayhan 393. 7 mm 0.5g
     
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  5. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    Herod II.jpg
    4 BCE-CE 6
    Herod II Archelaus, Herodian Kings
    AE prutah 2.63g - 16mm
    Obv: Grape bunch on vine with a small leaf
    Rev: Crested helmet; caduceus to lower left.
    Reference: Hendin 1196
     
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  6. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    g249.jpg
    Tryphon, Diodotus
    Mint: Antioch
    140/139 BC
    AE 18
    Obvs: Head of Tryphon right diademed.
    Revs: BAΣΙΛEΩΣ TPYФΩNOΣ AYTOKPATOPOΣ, Spiked Macedonian helmet. AΣ left
    18mm, 4.36g
     
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  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    With and without head:

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    SICILY, Himera. AR litra
    430-420 BC

    11 x 12 mm, 0.68 gm
    Obv: bearded and helmeted head right
    Rev: Corinthian helmet right
    Ref: SNG Lloyd 1029
    ex CNG Sale XXV, lot 71, 3/24/93
    ex CNA II, lot 31

     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Carthage Iberia 218-208 BC AE 13 1-4 Calco Barcid Military Mint 2nd Punic Tanit Helmet.jpg
    Carthage Iberia
    218-208 BC
    AE 13 1/4-Calco
    Barcid Military Mint
    2nd Punic
    Tanit
    Helmet
     
  9. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    The control-mark of this series is a helmet:

    Cr118.4.jpg
    Roman Republic Æ quadrans(22.9mm, 9.66g). Anonymous(Helmet series), 206-195 B.C., Rome mint. Head of hercules right; behind ••• /Prow right; before, sow; above, ROMA; below, •••. Crawford 118/4; Sydenham 272c
    Ex RBW Collection, ex Goodman Collection, CNG 45 lot 1286.
     
  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    From my half coin collection, Cr 181/1, halved, caps of the dioscuri.
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    or seller's pics
    Cr181.1 Caps of Dio Roma E30.jpg
     
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  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I sold a very crisp example of one of the OP types to jwt recently. Since he hasn't posted it yet, I'll do the honors...

    mesembria 6.jpg
     
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  12. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    This helmet may be difficult to see. Sometimes instead of countermarking with a single die against a flat surface a pair of small dies are used. In this case a coin of Alexandria Troas was overstruck with a small helmet/gorgoneion pair.

    alexandria-troas-both.jpg
    Alexandria Troas, AE16 3.96g 261-246 BC
    Bear head right / ?LE?A? horse countermarked or overstruck with 7mm helmet within circle of dots/gorgoneion
    Host coin looks like CNG e-95, lot 40, of Alexandria Troas.
    Reminds me of CNG 61, lot 264.

    alexandria-troas-cm2.jpg
     
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  13. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    @John Anthony, the coin you posted has a "T" that look like a "T". One of the Stancomb coins looks very much like mine (not like a "T"), and the other Stancomb coin and the SNG BM coins are both obscure at that letter. It yours were the only example, the decision it is a "T" would be clear. With the other examples, I wonder what was intended.

    Maybe someone on the list knows enough Greek to explain why a coin from the city we call Mesembria would have a legend beginning "METAM".
     
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    Andres2 Well-Known Member

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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Now that's surprising! :p
     
  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Looking through the coins of Mesembria, I see the ethnic MEΣAMBPIANΩN as often as METAMBPIANΩN. Sometimes both versions occur on the same type. The sigma and tau were obviously interchangeable - was the T spelling part of a Thracian dialect? Perhaps the T and S were pronounced the same way? Like the soft T sound of the S in Castilian Spanish? Just ideas.
     
  18. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    It looks like T/Tau but it is the archaic letter Sampi. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampi
     
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  19. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

  20. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    That's a nice looking coin!

    ;)
     
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  21. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

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