EID MAR Denarius

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by rrdenarius, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That distinction escaped my grasp at first, but I think I see what you mean now.

    Perhaps I should stick to just posting joke photos and polls mentioning bacon, rather than attempting any kind of semi-intelligent commentary when it comes to ancients, eh? ;)
     
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  3. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    I seen two in the British Museum yesterday, both great.
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Hmmm, bacon and Eid Mar. Couldn't get much better than that!
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That's my motto: if you can't dazzle 'em with intellect, pour on the nonsensical silliness.

    And mention bacon. Gets 'em every time.
     
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  6. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Bacon and Eid is the best breakfast ever (with a nice mug of Assam tea) :)

    Q
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Well, it would be tough to choose between the two: bacon or Eid Mar. But, I suppose I would have to give up the bacon for an Eid Mar.
     
  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Now, that's an ancient forgery I would welcome with open arms. Fantastic addition!
     
  9. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Sadly, no longer...
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Whaaat?
     
  11. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    That's correct - I sold it a handful of months ago. I really enjoyed it but ultimately I wasn't satisfied with the quality (centering, scratches, and metal) and also have been advised by many people that, for this issue in particular, I shouldn't settle for a non-pedigreed example. There have been a few small groups which have come to market and getting a pedigreed coin is much safer for all of the cultural property restrictions going on today.

    Happily, as ancients go, it isn't "rare" and one only needs to wait to find a suitable coin. There's a chance I will regret the decision if more well-heeled US collectors enter the market and swipe up all of them at whatever price they want because of their prestige (I sold mine to a US collector for a healthy profit).

    But, in the meantime, I have acquired a number of great coins with the funds which has allowed me to flesh out more of my collection, so I can't complain!
     
  12. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Should I have one someday they would have to grab it from my grasping dead body :)

    Q
     
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  13. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    An ancient forger's die (?)
    I saw this offered a few years ago and wondered if any coins known today match the die. It attracted one bidder and sold for 3000 euros. The punch does not match my coin. I think I would have made a test coin from the die and shown it on the auction page.
    forgers EID MAR die AA.jpg forgers EID MAR die side AA.jpg
    Reverse die (punch) for EID MAR denarius
    An iron cylinder, diameter 17-19mm., height 118 mm., enclosing a reverse punch of Brutus' denarius; Cap of Liberty between two daggers, EID MAR below; all within dotted border.FE.
    g. 159.2
    Considerable oxidation, otherwise VF
    Extremely interesting. An ancient forger's die (?) for Cr. 508/3. RRRR

    https://www.deamoneta.com/auctions/view/148/170
     
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Aha. I've made similar moves (albeit in a much lower tier of the market) and am thinking of doing something similar with my priciest coin.

    'Tis good to see you posting.
     
  15. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    An interesting piece that I would have just chalked up to a bad forgery, but the backstory gives me a bit of pause. It certainly isn't official based on any of them that I've seen, but could it contemporary or even ancient? I just don't know. If David Sear seemed to be convinced it was ancient that says something. How long ago did he see the coin...do you know?
     
  16. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    I would want to see this in hand, because I also find it "extremely interesting."

    I would expect the corrosion on the die surface would match the corrosion found on the entire die shaft. To my eye (using the photos from the website,) the die surface looks 'newer' than the the rest of the objects surface.

    A microscope would also help.
     
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  17. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I do not have any of the paperwork. I sent an email to Noble Numismatics asking if they had any paperwork on the coin. It will be interesting to see how / if they reply.
    I have a friend in Houston who can analyze silver to ppm impurities. If I have the coin analyzed, I will report what we find.
    I am working on what to say to David Sear. Do you think he keeps old files?
     
  18. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    One easy test would be specific gravity which can be done in a few minutes at home if you've got a scale. Would be interesting to see the results and what sort of purity they suggest.
     
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  19. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Yes, I'm pretty certain he does. Good luck!
     
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  20. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Don’t change a thing, Lord Marc! Keep on doin’ watcha’ doin’! :D
     
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  21. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I used the picture from Noble Numismatics in this collage of Eid Mar coins.
    In your pictures, it looks like its made of gold :)

    EID MAR Noble Num Dec 16 Land 8_4_17m.jpg
     
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