How much is too much, tooling on a Wolf and Twins RR Sextans

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by rrdenarius, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I bought a Wolf and Twins Sextans yesterday at the Bellaire Coin Show and now am having buyer's remorse. I will probably return it today, but thought I'd post it here for comments. I think the price is right. Tooling is the only question.
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    When I look on acsearch, most of the examples look poor or tooled. I know the pictures are not great, but time is short if I want to make the return. If I keep the coin, better pics will come later.

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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Gene, this is my example:

    Depending on your price, (low), the tooling is ok. I captured this one and was $330 Fully Landed Cost from the Naville Auction

    RR Anon AE Sextans 217-215 BCE She-Wolf Twins Eagle Syd 95 Cr 39-3 S 609.JPG
    Roman Republic
    AE Sextans 217-215, Anonymous
    Æ 29.5mm., 24.54g.
    Obv: She-wolf suckling twins; in exergue, two pellets.
    Rev. ROMA Eagle standing r., holding flower in beak; behind, two pellets.
    Ref: Sydenham 95. RBW 107. Crawford 39/3.
    Comment: Nice brown-green patina. Very Fine.
    Ex: From the E.E. Clain-Stefanelli collection.
     
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  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Mine was $300, a good price..... but I think there was tooling that removed some ruff spots in the fields. I am ok with field smoothing. I think the tooling extends to the outline of the wolf and eagle.

     
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  5. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I am not sure if the tooling is intentional or just the result of heavy-handed cleaning but I would probably pass on this example.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    I agree with @red_spork that it is aggressive cleaning. I had meant to say that in my earlier post.
     
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  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I say keep it until you find a better one at a price you like. Could be a while...
     
  8. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    Hi Gene, hope you'll let us know what you decided.

    I was at the show today and am sorry I missed you. We'll have to meet sometime. I had a pretty good day - 1 coin from Paul Landsberg at Ephesus Numismatics; 2 from Del Parker, irishcoins.com; and a whopping 7 from Nick at Pegasi. Increased my holdings by one third in 4 hours.
     
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  9. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I decided to return the coin. A couple of coins I bought are shown below. I will start a new thread for the "biggie" from this show.

    Chicken and harp coin for my sisters -
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    RR semuncia -
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    ROMAN REPUBLICAN ANONYMUS AE-Semiuncia
    Rome; 215-212 BC
    Obv.: Head of Mercury right
    Rev.: Prow right, above ROMA
    4.21 grams; 17.3 X 19.7 mm
    Cr. 38/7 (not sure yet)
     
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  10. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    The attribution is correct for the style and backed up by the weight. Nice example!
     
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  11. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Not sure I would have bought it either at 300 $, mainly because I hardly see the devices on it (especially the eagle), but it may well be my eyes or the picture.

    Here's my example, from Naville too, for 103 £ (including fees). Well worn, but still I like it

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  12. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Congrats rrdenarius , love the chicken harp coins , wise decision to return the RR sextans imho.

    Here are mine:

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  13. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Sunday is often a slow day for coin shows. That was the case here too. The official stop time was 4PM and half of the folks were gone by 2PM. Surprisingly a large group (maybe 25%) stayed until 3 - 4 PM the posted end time. Some dealers and bargain hunters had to be encouraged to leave. A man walked to the front door with a bag of stuff he wanted to sell at 4:30. One of our members agreed to help him appraise the collection and get back.
    My last treasures from the show are to replace my stock of silver six pence.
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    I gave one to my niece who will be married in September. I like to give them to brides:
    Something Olde,
    Something New,
    Something Borrowed,
    Something Blue,
    A (silver) Sixpence in your Shoe.
     
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