Mourning Dacian

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  1. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Thought I'd share another recent purchase:
    Trajan Dacia.jpg
    Roman Empire. AR denarius (19mm, 2.89g). Trajan (98-117 AD). Obverse: Laureate bust right, legend IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TR P COS V PP. Reverse: Figure of Dacia weeping, seated on shield, curved Dacian sword below, legend SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI. RIC 218. Purchased from Vcoins dealer Romae Aeternae Numismatics.

    Trajan was one of the most militarily proficient Roman emperors, and this coin commemorates what is probably his greatest conquest, the kingdom of Dacia. Dacia was a large territory north of the Danube, roughly covering what is now Romania (plus portions of adjacent countries), and its conquest was a major undertaking for Trajan. As a memorial, he ordered the creation of Trajan's Column in Rome, which still stands today, carved with scenes of major battles in the Dacian war. This reverse type, with a female personification of the vanquished people weeping at her loss, reminds me of the Judaea Capta types of the Flavians. I would think that such portrayals would tend to create sympathy for the defeated peoples, which was clearly not the intent, but I guess I just don't fully understand ancient Roman psychology. Anyway, still an interesting coin with a historical reverse type.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice coin @Parthicus. I have a slightly different Trajan/Dacian

    Trajan 6a.jpg
    TRAJAN
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P laureate, draped
    REVERSE: COS V P P SPQR OPTIMO PRINC – DAC CAP in ex. Dacian seated r. on pile of arms, his hands bound behind him.
    Struck at Rome, 103-111 AD 2.8g, 18mm
    RIC 96

    Funny story: A few years back I was working in Romania with the Defense Attache Office. A Romanian Colonel and I had a bit too much Pálinka one night in which, among other things, he insisted that it was the Romanians (Dacians), who taught the Romans to speak Latin. We argued for a couple of hours, but I couldn't persuade him otherwise.
     
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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice! It's a cool type to have.

    Trajan - Denarius Dacia Sword.jpg

    Another one with a mourning Dacian.

    Trajan - Denarius Trophy Captive 1055.jpg
     
  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Very nice!! I want one of those, but they are popular and don't come up all that often...
     
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  7. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Very nice coins. These designs were re-used by Septimius Severus many time.
     
  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Lovely coin! Here's one where he bears the title Dacicus and which has a Mars reverse, befitting an emperor so skilled in warfare:

    Trajan Mars Denarius.jpg
    Trajan, AD 98-117
    Roman AR denarius; 2.95 gm, 20 mm
    Rome, AD 114-117
    Obv: IMP CAES NER TRAIANO OPTIMO AVG GER DAC, laureate and draped bust, right
    Rev: P M TR P COS VI P P S P Q R, Mars walking right with spear and trophy
    Refs: RIC 337; BMCRE 536; Cohen 270; RCV --; Woytek 520v; Strack 230; BN 819
     
  9. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    :facepalm: Wow. I knew that Romanians tend to be proud of their Roman heritage, but I've never heard that, uh, particular theory before. Reminds me of an eccentric Hungarian who used to frequent a Parthian mailing list some years ago. He was convinced the Hungarians (Magyars) were actually descended from the Parthians, based on some extremely dubious linguistic theories. I guess it's only natural to want to find glory in one's ancient ancestors, even when the facts don't back it up. After all, the Romans needed the Aeneid to give themselves a suitably ancient and heroic origin, rather than face the truth that Rome started out as an insignificant hilltop settlement.
     
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  10. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Lovely coin! It echoes a similar 'Germania Capta' reverse struck by Domitian (which itself echoes the 'Judaea Capta' types struck by Vespasian).

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    Domitian
    AR Denarius, 3.20g
    Rome mint, 85 AD
    RIC 331 (R2), BMC 82, RSC 181
    Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P IIII; Bust of Domitian, laureate, bearded, r., with aegis
    Rev: IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POTES P P; Germania seated r. on shield; below, broken spear
    Ex Roma Auction V, 23 March 2013, lot 728.
     
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  11. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Nice coin, Parthicus.

    As you describe, the Dacian War and the ultimate defeat of the Dacian king Decebalus was one of Trajan's major military achievements. It was a long, bloody and protracted war.
    The Dacian curved sword depicted in your coin was, by the way, a much feared weapon by roman legionaries as it was capable of slicing thru their helmets when swung with full strength. A terrifying prospect!

    The war was commemorated in many of Trajan's coins. I do not have an example depicting Dacia in attitude of mourning but here are other coins struck in Trajans reign which also commemorate this victory:

    A sestertius and dupondius of Trajan depicting the emperor on horseback over a dacian soldier:

    Trajan Sestertius zu Pferd-Obv - 1_opt.jpg Trajan Sestertius zu Pferd-Rev - 1_opt.jpg Trajan As Horseback-Obv - 1_opt.jpg Trajan As Horseback-Rev - 1_opt.jpg


    Dupondius of Trajan depicting a bridge thought to have been constructed over the Danube with the purpose of transporting the legions during the Dacian campaign.

    Trajan as donau bridge-obv - 1.jpg Trajan as donau bridge-rev - 1.jpg

    An as of Trajan depicting Dacian shields and swords:
    Trajan As Shield-Obv - 1.jpg Trajan As Shield-Rev - 1.jpg
     
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  12. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Here is my only captive for Vespasian.

    Vespasian Denarius

    Obv:– IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG, Laureate head right
    Rev:– IVDEA, Judean captive seated right, at base of trophy
    Minted in Rome. A.D. 69 - 70
    Reference:– RIC II 266. RSC 226.

    Weight 3.30g. 18.24mm.

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    And how the types above were re-used by Septimius.

    Septimius Severus denarius

    Obv:– L SEPT SEV PERET AVG IMP - II, Laureate head right
    Rev:– INVICTO IMP, Trophy with arms below, dejected captive seated beneath, shield on knees
    Minted in Laodicea-ad-Mare, A.D. 194-5
    References:– RIC -

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    Septimius Severus denarius

    Obv:– IMP CAE L SPE (sic) SEV - PERT AVG COS II, Laureate head right
    Rev:– TR P III IMP V COS II, captive seated right with peaked cap, hands bound behind, quiver and shields behind, curved sword in ex
    Minted in Emesa. A.D. 195
    Reference:– RIC 432 var (obv legend). RSC 660 var (same)

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  13. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Spectacular coin, Eduard! Beautiful patina.
     
  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you! I love the patina and specially the style of the bust. Pity the legends are so weak, though.
     
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