1953 D appears to be overstruck... Don't know what to call the error?

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  1. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    1953D Rim or collar issue

    Coin weight 3.1g
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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I think this is referred to as a MAD or misaligned die.
     
  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    No

    Your Cent is PMD - Post Mint Damage.. It was previously encased in a Bezel or lucky Cent holder which altered the rim.

    Not a Mint Error
     
  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Correct!
     
  6. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    No argument here.
     
  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Yes. I'll vote lucky holder.
     
  8. Fallguy

    Fallguy Active Member

    I respectfully think a reconsideration might be in order. It looks very much like "Stiff Collar Strikes" I've seen, in fact I can't see any difference. As for the artifact being caused by a "Bezel" or other type of coin holder, either would have to be made of die quality metal in order to withstand the force needed to make such an impression without breaking, cracking, warping, etc. Just thoughts.

    Semper Fidelis
     
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  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    A stiff collar strike, by definition, isn't capable of manifesting all the way around the circumference of the coin because one of the prerequisites is an off-center placement of the planchet. On the other hand, a bezel/encasement does affect the entire periphery of the coin, and many of them are put in place by a mechanical press with more than sufficient power to distort the rim during the process.

    Typical jewelry bezels don't use such force to hold a coin, but the encasements used with "Lucky Penny" coins do. It's not very "Lucky" if the coin falls out down the road, so they take no chances. :)
     
  10. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    I've reconsidered as you asked.
    After more consideration, I am still convinced that your coin was once contained in some sort of bezel, not unlike this:
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  11. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    No doubt about it... this is a formerly encased coin
    Richard
     
  12. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    Thanks for your opinions. Just a little more info here to consider the split on the rim does in fact appear to go around the entire circumference of the coin (consistent with the bezel theory).

    Another thing that I noticed with this coin, for the opposition theorists, is that the color of the rim is uniformly brown the same tone as that of the top of the rims on both the obverse and reverse. Btw... also should mention that there doesn't have ever appeared to be a raised rim on the bottom side of the reverse. In the case for coloration, I would think that having been contained in a bezel there would be some uneven toning there.

    So I'm still unsure if it was a mint error or if someone pressed this into a charm or bezel using something less hard than copper, to press it down.

    I do have a 64 kennedy half dollar that, I removed from a Christmas ornament, but it has its rim split into two halves. This 53D cent only has its lower half of the rim reduced. When I get home I'll see which side of the coin fits into a Witman folder slot and then I'll report back here.

    Once again thanks for all the input and please keep the possibilities flowing.

    I would like to know about how coins get into bezels. More so, I would like to know if the anvil part of the die could have been stuck with something seizing it. Is the size of the of the striking chamber uniform all the way to the anvil? When ejecting the coin can the finger get something under the anvil? So many questions....ok one more..... why would anyone put a 53D in a bezel, perhaps he was was carrying it while helping to win the 1950-something America's Cup yacht race, or his birth year.... idk....I'm hoping it wasn't PMD.
    -Valpo
     
  13. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    How do they press it in there without a mark or trace of wear on the obverse or the reverse?
     
  14. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    could be? still not sure. What happened to the raised rims on the obverse. Why is there very little wear on the obverse from either hammering or more likely pressing it into the holder and the uneven reverse rims are interesting too. Please consider the new info I've posted and see if you still think this is the true story of this coin. Thanks for your reply.
     
  15. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Rest assured, it's damaged cause by being pressed into a bezel.
    I'm sorry it's not the answer you want.
    Now I'm going to put you on my ignore list. Bye.
     
  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The coin is placed into an aluminum blank that has a hole in the center just very slightly larger than the cent. This is put into a press that has dies with a hole in the center just slightly smaller than the coin. When the piece is struck the edge of the hole tends to overlap the coin/blank junctionand as it strikes the piece the coin is forced outwardand the aluminum forced inward forcing the two pieces together locking the coin in place. Since the dies have holes in the center nothing presses on the faces of the coin itself so the coin shows no damage except at the rim. In some case the design on the dies goes all the way to the edge of the hole in the die and the design shows on the rim of the coin.

    Sometimes you will see coins that have been removed from such an encasement that have these design traces on the rim being listed as "mint errors"
     
  17. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    wow... super nice guy or bad day? was I in some way disrespectful?
     
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  18. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    Wouldn't that warp the aluminum holder? Copper has a hardness of 3.5, im sure aluminum is less hard. Anyway if you know how these are made I believe what you say, just trying to figure out a way that the aluminum could deform the copper. Perhaps it is an alloy of some sort. Well thanks for taking the time to respond the way you did.
     
  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    There isn't all that great a difference in the hardness of those two materials, depending on how they're alloyed. With that fairly small difference, the "winner" of the pressing contest won't win 100-0 but more like 55-45, and the design of the holder will account for distortion in the encasement process so the end result looks right.
     
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  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks for correcting me.
     
  21. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    This is a good example.
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