Pertinax Sestertius, second attempt

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Julius Germanicus, Jun 8, 2017.

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What do you think about this Pertinax?

  1. I think it is a Paduan

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  2. I think it is a 19/20th century cast

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  3. I think it is a modern forgery

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  4. I think it is genuine, but I don´t like it´s style, wear, or patina

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  5. I think it is genuine, but if I were you, I would not spend 1000 USD for it

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  6. I think it is genuine and if I would collect Sestertii like you, I would go and buy it

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  1. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    I dont see, not any cast bubbles:)
     
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  3. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    What do you think: does this look like a double die match???

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  4. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    The obverse looks like it might be, but the reverse doesn't look the same - e.g. the curvature on Providentia's body.
     
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  5. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

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    A coin in you same class

    compare with this one
     
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  7. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    It looks like an obverse die match, but not a reverse die match.
     
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  8. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    It SHOULD be a reverse die match also, because this obverse die was used only with one reverse die to strike this type...

    Ro, you have some incredible Pertinax Sestertii there!!!
    I am envious :-D
    The style and toning of the first piece is totally adorable while your second specimen features the rare reverse variant with both hands reaching for the star!!!

    I am working on a big writeup on the Sestertii of Pertinax which I will publish here once my coin actually gets here. May I try a die analysis for your coins too while I am at it?
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Mine is a bit worn, but would be interested in the comparison:

    RI Pertinax 193 BC AE Sestertius rome mint LAETITIA RIC 17 C 21 O-R.jpg
    RI Pertinax 193 BC AE Sestertius rome mint LAETITIA RIC 17 C 21
     
  10. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    I couldn't find... AT LEAST try to get a deal BUTTON!
     
  11. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    those coins where only for compare with yours, next time i say those are not my coins:)
     
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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I think it is a double die match. Here's an overlay animation of the reverses. In the last frame I erased bits of the OP coin's reverse so you could better see how it matches up with the archive coin. The minor differences can be attributed to differing angles of photography, wear, slight size mismatch when editing for this gif, etc.

    PertinaxSestertiusComp.gif
     
  13. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    OMG I seriously wish I had your skills, TIF :)

    The other coin (Paris, Cabinet des Medailles) is Woodward´s plate coin for his obverse die Nr.11 and reverse die I D for the type in his study "The Coinage of Pertinax" (Num. Chron. 1957), so you saved my day!!!!

    Thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!
     
  14. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Today I found six more Pertinax Sestertii (all sold in auctions during 2009-2017) that also look like double die matches to mine:

    Bildschirmfoto 2017-07-11 um 14.02.21.png
    Bildschirmfoto 2017-07-11 um 14.03.43.png
    Is that just an unusually high "survival rate" or need I worry?
     
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  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    In my opinion the fact that there are a few coins struck from the very same die as yours is no reason for concern. After all, yours look legit, and so do the others you have shown.

    Actually, when you think about, sestertii of Pertinax are actually not that rare. I counted 25-30 examples of the PROVIDENTIAE type alone in acsearch. One can therefore assume that there are 2-3 times that number out there in collections? That would not be unreasonable. So to have 10-20 or so from the same die is not out of the ordinary, in my opinion.

    On a general note concerning fakes of Pertinax: asse and dupondii of Pertinax are much scarcer than his sestertii and denarii, but the larger coin gets all the attention (and the prices reflect it).
    The coin doctors and
    counterfeiters also seem to have focused primarily on the larger bronzes, as well as the denarii, and have not bothered with the asse and dupondii. Therefore, I am quite happy with the As I have in my collection. No worries about it being legit.
     
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