Really cool 1923 Peace Dollar error

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    This was another purchase from Bill Fivaz. I had seen it in his case before, but then he lowered the price to a point where I had to have it. It's one of the most significant wood chip strikethroughs I have ever seen.

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    If it hadn't been Bill's I would have passed.
     
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  4. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    +1
    Yea, any good hillbilly could fabricate that in his garage

    FYI strikethroughs of this size/nature are almost always in the center of the coin/deepest recesses of the devices
     
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  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I must disagree, on both counts. That hole would be impossible to fabricate without visibly moving metal around somewhere. The edges all around it are sharp, and there is no visible distortion of adjacent letters or fields. I don't see a chance of this happening anytime except in the moment of strike.

    And I don't believe there's any generalized rule which applies to where a fragment of something about to be struck-through happens to land on a planchet.

    Thirdly, I'm sure Bill Fivaz has been fooled by features on a coin, but I doubt that's happened within the last few decades. :)

    @TypeCoin971793, I'm interested in those two diagonal gouges on the neck. Could you look into them more closely and report back your impressions?
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Ray clashes possibly they look to be the same size and shape of a fragment of one of the reverse rays.
     
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  7. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I figured someone would ask. They are scratches in the plastic, not on the coin.
     
  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    From your images they look to be on the surface .
     
  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I had noticed them in my images, and that is what prompted me to look at them.
     
  10. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    What about the top of the "1"? Is there an issue there ? Look like filled area. Like a dot .
     
  11. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Well i guess we will hafta agree to disagree.
    If this was a wood chip that caused this, it would have been smashed to smithereens, under all those tons of pressure. Unless it was petrified wood


    OP, would you mind throwing it on a digital scale for us ????
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Then, none of the large number of strikethroughs plainly attributable to wood that you and I have both seen would be possible. Tell me, when a piece of wood is being smashed to smithereens between two dies at 100 tons of pressure in the space of tenths of a second, where can the smithereens go?

    All they can do is compress. Ain't no place else to go, or any way to get there.
     
  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    He's got you there....:jawdrop:
     
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  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I don't really want to take it out of the flip just for the sake of weighing it. In the flip, it weighs 28.2g. Subtracting 2g for the flip leaves 26.2g, which seems high.

    The reverse of my Morgan has an imbedded wood chip above IGWT.

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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I don't see anything out of the ordinary under 10x magnification.
     
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  16. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Thanks just looked odd from the picture.
     
  17. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    That's a pretty sweet strike through. It looks like the wood spread out a bit under all that pressure. It pretty cool. I would have bought it as well. :)
     
  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Not to mention we have seen mother nature throw wood through bricks, concrete ect during hurricanes and tornadoes.
     
  19. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    OP
    I know im outnumbered here, and probably wrong. But, to humor me and all the enquiring readers we have out there.
    Would you mind, carefully removing the staples with your fingers or needle nose pliers? This can be done very quickly and easily, and they can be re-inserted back (or new ones) by lining back up with the old holes, pushing thru and then bending back over w pliers. Ive done this numerous times, it wont hurt the flip. If this coin weighs close to 26.73, i will then eat crow, and concede to the boards wisdom and experience:D
    If the coin is light, well then, Houston, we have a problem:confused:
     
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  20. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    That is a slag inclusion not wood. Also, I'm not entirely sure your peace isn't slag that delaminated. It probably was a wood chunk though with the grooves
     
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  21. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    I believe that it is a planchet delamination (after strike) due to slag inclusion, not a strike-through.
     
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