Massachusetts Oak Tree Shilling - Damaged, Heavily Worn & Clipped (still a nice piece of MA Silver)

.....but still a Massachusetts Oak Tree and very interesting to me.

Picked this one up recently. Has many problems but I think the price was in-line so no regrets. Sold unattributed. However, there are enough design elements left to attribute it as Noe-9 (for example: cross hatching below tree)

The coin weighs only 42,75 grains, whereas the norm for full planchet shillings was 72 (range 70-72) grains. It was obviously heavily clipped besides being worn and suffering some edge damage.

Interestingly, CoinFacts mentions this variety is known with both small and (normal) large planchets. The smaller planchet being scarcer than the larger. Weights per CoinFacts for the small planchets are as low as 47 grains.

I assume this one is simply heavily clipped, and not one of the small planchets Noe-9's, but in case anybody can share more light on small planchet Noe-9's I would be very grateful.
I have not been able to find out anymore about it besides the mention in CoinFacts.

As I said, an Oak Tree Shilling with obvious problems, but a welcome addition to my small U.S Colonial collection nevertheless.

Would love to see you MA silver if anybody has some.

 

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nice one, I'd have gone for it, even with the problems

 

Nice coin, even with the damage. Nice write up also.

 

I do have one Oak tree shilling and one pine tree shilling. I couldn't afford problem free coins but I don't mind. Love yours, if I can get one of my sons to help sometime maybe I could post a photo.

 

Why the clip ?
Someone stealing silver??
Someone testing it?
Or is it all just conjecture ?

Also, how much did this example cost?
If you dont mind sharing?
Ive always wanted a colonial piece of silver,
but assumed they were out of my budget

 

Cool addition, Edward!

 

Lovery and unique (so to speak)........

 

Thank you all for your comments.
There is something about Massachusetts silver coinage that I love, the oldest dated silver coinage struck in Colonial America.

I had been wanting an example of the Oak Tree coinage to go along my Pine Trees for quite a while, but was not ready to spend $000's on it.
This one was priced in-line with the wear/damage, and it is a rare variety so was happy to find it. It fits the bill perfectly.

I.cutler, I hope you are able to post your Pine and Oak tree shillings. Would love to see them

These are my examples of the small and large planchet Pine Tree shillings.

Small Planchet:



Large Planchet:


sorry for the huge picture!

 

Nice find, Eduard. and your Pine Trees are very good looking.

 

Thank you very much, sparrow.

 

Sorry im 2 years late! Ive been wanting an oak for so long but heres a pine i picked up this year

 

Bravo, Sir! That’s a sweet piece of New England history!! Made the old pocketbook nice and light for ya, eh?!

 

Not too much haha.

 

That is a really nice example of the Pine Tree shilling. These are difficult to find that nice! Do you know which variety it is?

 

Regardless of the condition of these "tree shillings," I love the history that can be attached. Indeed, damaged pieces are telling of striking and circulation woes, the clipping of silver, etc. That beautiful, high grade specimen displays a full legend. It reads AD DOM or "year of our Lord" which asserts that Christians were establishing their presence in the then New World; this, almost three hundred years prior to the use of "In God We Trust" on our coins.

 

Nice, I would go for that, it is on the list of "wants"

 

Its an early die state noe 1. One of the best executed varieties of pinetrees. Books say its an r2 rarity but specialist believe its an r3 with less than 500 in existence. Its Really hard to find in an affordable problem free grade tho.

 

Hi, was very interested when I came across this and love the Oak and Pine tree shillings. I have never seen that type before, but as I live in Scotland that's not much of a surprise. I have a few Colonial coppers in my collections.
However after looking at the coin photos I noticed that on the Large Planchet Pine Tree type that the letter's N are back to front, but not on the others. Is this a common phenomenon or a mint error?
Regards,
vikinggold

Just looking at this coin again I noticed that this one spells Masatvsets and not Masathvsets as the others do. Is that another variation?

 

Does the clip at 6 oclock not impact the grade on these?

 

The reference book is Silver Coinage of Massachusetts by Sydney P Noe. Some of the other posts reference a Nod attribution number. I don't have the book so I can't answer your specific questions but it should be the book. Whitman recently published an encyclopedia of us colonial coins, which might also have some info. I'm don't have my copy handy.