1943 P Steel Reverse die crack from rim thru U to O large die gouge.

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  1. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

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  3. Ordinary Fool

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    It appears to be a nice steel cent, contrast excessive in the main overall picture and perhaps slightly over-exposed.

    Lots of DDO and DDR exist for these and this one reminds me of a Monet rendering of what may be one of about 10 potential DDO for the 1943 steel cent. Just some of the shapes is all.
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I see the die crack, is it raised or recessed, Hard to tell.
    Also I was trying to figure out if that is a planchet defect, or a strike through?
     
  5. Ordinary Fool

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    Illuminated from overhead only. Hand held (unsteady at that and you'd see that had there been a background with sharp lines included) with cellphone thru....substitute your loupe if you don't have one of the following:


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    Full spectrum lighting on the side added for the next picture and overhead dimmed significantly:

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    Here's the old bulb, typically found in jewelry store lighting and you can find them inexpensively since many are upgrading to full spectrum LED, just not the old school stores.

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  6. jessash1976

    jessash1976 Coin knowledgeable

    It almost looks like clash to me.
     
  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Nice die crack. Too bad they plated the cent.
     
  8. Ordinary Fool

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    You think so? Zinc plated steel or replated with chrome?

    Hardly enough detail in the pix to determine that, is there?
     
  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    It's plated, Sherlock.
     
  10. Ordinary Fool

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    I dunno about that, its images are certainly with excessively high contrast with areas greatly over-exposed.

    The lead shot is so over-exposed there is not much you can do with it:

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    I'm not convinced it's been chrome plated. Not saying it hasn't been, but, nothing I'm seeing is anything but the results of harsh direct lighting and poor exposures.
     
  11. Nolan Workman

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    I don't know if it adds to the discussion about the coin being chrome plated, but there is pitting on the face. Would this occur if it were chromed? 2017-07-04_115407_852.jpg 2017-07-04_115407_852.jpg
     
  12. Nolan Workman

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    A lower light perspective. It appears there is a defect on the O as well. The die crack is raised. 2017-07-04_121447_549.jpg
     
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  13. Ordinary Fool

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    Do you think it is chrome plated or just a very nice 1943 steel cent?

    Eddie sees plating, I see bad harsh lighting and overexposure.

    I see virtually nothing from these last two pictures other than there doesn't appear to be any doubling of the ear or eye.

    Do you think I should see something different from the pictures compared to what you are seeing in hand?
     
  14. Nolan Workman

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    Also, the die crack appears to travel to the top of the C, the defect travels down the face of the C to the top of the T in United. I have defused my light source a bit and will keep looking. I will look for other PUPs. The last two pics were to show the pitting or rust, I was wondering if chrome plating would do this?
     
  15. Ordinary Fool

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    Do you really think those last two accomplished your objective, much less provided any useful visual data about the coin being plated?

    I have no idea what exact pitting you are talking about, any idea why I don't and it has to do with your pictures requiring much assumption?

    Do you have other steel cents that you are sure aren't plated?

    Is this coin plated?

    Perhaps on that subject, photographing it next to one you know isn't, as well as answering if you think it is, might be more productive.
     
  16. Ordinary Fool

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    It would be rotated if so.
     
  17. Nolan Workman

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    I wasn't sure how to determine if it were plated or not, so I went to a sight that showed how to tell and it showed the edges of the coin are different than the body of the coin, if not plated and this one, by that test, is zinc plated. It came from my father in laws things when he passed, so I don't know where he got it. Does this kill the discussion as there are other wexler markings on the coin?
     
  18. Ordinary Fool

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    The steel cent is zinc plated originally. If chrome plated, it will stick out like a sore thumb. Do you have another one?

    Allow me to be just a bit sarcastic with respect to 'markings' since only certain people here get to freely use profanity which goes uncensored....

    HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW since you haven't provided detailed pictures of either side complete?

    Do you see any in hand that appear as though they could be doubled, maybe in the north and south direction?
     
  19. Nolan Workman

    Nolan Workman Well-Known Member

    The coin has a satin silver finish, it is not chrome, the site referencing reprocessed 43 steel pennies stated that some were chromed and some polished and refinished with zinc, the patina is silver grey on this coin. Having spent four years in the Navy during the Vietnam War, I don't think it would serve us to visit profanity. Your frustration is palpable, as is mine, trying to answer your questions. I will spend some time looking at the coin for any doubling and will get back, if not, I will get back.
     
  20. Ordinary Fool

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    I don't know what one has to do with the other, I enjoy a good round of sport cussing.
     
  21. Nolan Workman

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    Please, think of the women, children and infirm. In boot camp, we were indoctrinated with the one word that fit all aspects of grammar: verb, adverb, pronoun, noun, etc. and was readily adapted to several foreign languages, universal, if you will. The use of which, has brought many of the mighty to their knees, so maybe this gauntlet should be left on the ground?
    With that said, I did not find any n/s doubling, once again, my optics not helping, just the die crack and gouge, I did find a die scratch that is shown on a Wexler plate 2017-07-04_125017_114.jpg on on the right wheat stalk. All of what is happening on this coin, is on the reverse.
     
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