Commodus

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Latest Tet is a Commodus, picked this up the same time as the vespasian. Helped ease the shipping costs.

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    Commodus (177 - 192 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Billion Tetradrachm
    O: M A KOM ANTW CEBEVCEB, laureate head right.
    R: Head of Zeus right, LK Z at sides. L KZ=Year 27=(186/187).
    11.25g
    23mm
    Köln 2227; Dattari 3892; Milne 2665 = Emmett 2563.27.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2017
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  3. Roman Collector

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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice one, mat. I like these double-bust issues.

    I believe yours is Zeus (no horns) rather than Zeus-Ammon (with ram horns).
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Thanks, my error. Even the tag had Zeus only.
     
  6. Nerva

    Nerva Well-Known Member

    "To ease the shipping costs". Yeah, I've used that one before too.
     
  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    That a really nice one Mat
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Very nice, Mat!

    Heh. Yep. It ranks right up there with "You have to spend money to save money" :D
     
  9. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    very nice one Mat.
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Nice coin!

    Just for comparison: Mine has a horn and matching centering losing most of the LK. If you compare our coins to LKZ's with opposite centering, you can detect a bit of those letters but such traces are easily overlooked. Emmett 2568 lists my coin as Zeus Ammon head right while your 2563 is given as a bust recognizing a bit of fabric showing at the very bottom of your coin under the chin. My Ammon suffers from small flan editing of the distinctive solar disk above the head leaving only a part of the bottom of the full circle. These are common coins so we can compare to other specimens. There are many less common types where we may not know what was there. If you collect this series, you will have to decide whether you look at the faults like missing details or the strengths like a good head. Those requiring MS 5/5 coins need to collect someting else.
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    Another comparison coin is this bust of Nilus (shirtless as appropriate for a swimmer) with all three letters of the LKS date. The coin was struck harder so the flan spread out more fully probably contributing to the crack that slants through the flan. Flan preparation was not a strong point of this mint and era. I feel lucky to have these coins - warts and all. Waiting for perfect examples may get quite tedious. Search the usual places for any of these bust types and see how many are perfect. I am happy there are so many perfection collectors who don't compete for the coins of this level (even if they are the best available).
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  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Another great tet Mat!
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow @Mat , you have been on a monster Tet roll! This is a great one. I really like it!
     
  13. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Yes, it's pretty much my sole focus nowadays, but affordable examples of course ;)

    Nice coins, Doug.

    One thing I noticed that even Curtis had no answer for, why is Commodus Alexandrian gets always brown/potin looking, when emperors before him AND AFTER had a silver look, still, to them.

    I can't recall ever seeing a Commodus Tet have a silver look.

    I know he reduced the fineness, but others after him retained a silver look with less silver in it. Weird, to me.
     
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  14. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Nice, I like the Zeus bust.
     
  15. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Great coin, nice portraits! I'm one of those perfection seekers, but this coin and the comments of @dougsmit are very instructive.

    Teaches me to take coin technique and its limits into account. Maybe I can score a beauty like this, too, some time.
     
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