Help to determine 1972 ddo variety please.

Okay so I have been pulling my hair out. I have been so back and forth. One minute I think it's a ddo fs-109 or 010 then I see it as an fs-103 , fs-107 but then I also see parts of 104. Or quite possibly I'm just crazy and its nada. I thought 9 because IN both drop south and so does fs-109. Help please. I ran out of room. Ill post more right behind these 10

 

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I honestly don't see what you are seeing. Maybe give better description or just compare with the images in the link above.

 

The I and N both look like the IN if you go to variety vista and look at 1972 ddo fs-109 this is doubled the exact same way. But the D in god is different than the one on the fs-109. Coneca. I used a 10 and 17x loupe and can see it. I need to get micro soon. I keep talking about it but I'm ordering one this week. My pics are the worst. Sorry. Been trying to use 10x loupe and still not coming out great

 

Compare with this link too.
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/doubledies/doubledies.html

 

Need more pictures! (please don't)

 

When comparing your coin to an already established doubled die, you must see every part of the doubling. If one letter is doubled but another isn't, then it can't be the same attribution.

FWIW, I didn't see any doubling.

Chris

 

Is variety vista a good reputable site? I've seen some people who do no recognize some of the stuff on there. Which site would you say has a large amount of pictures and references as variety vista does? I went to one everyone uses and was only able to pull up 1 or 2 small pics. Ill find our which one it was.

 

Variety vista, ken potters variety, wexlers variety.

 

Maybe you all can tell me what I'm seeing and what its really called. The U in Trust on the left side of it. It looks like 2 U's 1 goes up quite a bit higher on the left and it looks like another splits an to the right a good bit down from top of split. I also see inside of the D another straight line down split from other straight piece of the D. What causes that

 

I thought it was 103 because of all the scratches above the B and E and the scratches in the roof on reverse. I hate that I am not understanding so much of this stuff. I'm finding a good video of a coin being made and a doubled die with it outlined exactly what part I'm looking at.
The eye on this coin also has like 4 lines just in front of the eye pretty long as well. I need to learn what's causing what I'm seeing as doubling and learn to look at something else. Back to school.

 

Are you guys telling me, you don't know this is a MDO ..
Come on, get it together over here .. Lol ...........

1972 1¢ WMDO-001 Doubled Master Die

Description: An extremely close Class I CW spread shows on the letters of LIBERTY, IGWT, and the horizontal bar of the 2 in the date. On early die state specimens the E of WE appears to show tripling suggesting a CCW spread in addition to the CW spread.

Die Markers: Obverse: The affected master die shows a short die gouge extending eastward inside the upper S of TRUST. Other obverse die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected. Reverse: Die markers will vary with the different working dies that were affected.

Submitted By: John A. Wexler

Cross References: CONECA: MD-1-O-I-CW+II-C (formerly listed as MD-5-O-I-CW+II-C), Crawford: CDDO-005 (MD)

Values: No extra value!!!

Comments: Shortly after the various obverse doubled die cent varieties were produced that year, the Lincoln cent master die for 1972 failed and a new one had to be produced. Clearly the Mint was having problems that year with the hubbing process as was evidenced by the many doubled die varieties produced. Those problems carried over to the second master die that was produced for the Lincoln cents that year. That second master die was produced with minor doubling. It is estimated that the doubled master die was created somewhere around April or May of 1972. All of the Lincoln cents struck by working dies that descended from the doubled master die show this minor doubling. The doubling can be seen on the letters of IGWT, the letters of LIBERTY, and very slightly on the date. Since 60% to 70% of all Lincoln cents for 1972 show this doubling, it is far too common to have any value. This includes 1972 D-Mint, S-Mint, and proof coins produced that year. Newer doubled die collectors should be very careful if responding to ads for 1972 doubled die Lincoln cents. There are individuals out there trying to sell specimens of this doubled master die for premiums far in excess of what they should be. You should not be paying more than the normal numismatic value of a 1972 cent for 1972 cents with this master die doubling. Those trying to sell them to unsuspecting buyers advertise them as “genuine doubled dies” which they are. The ads are truthful in that respect, but they fail to tell you that it is a specimen of the doubled master die that can easily be found without paying a premium for it. Back when they were first listed they were assigned a listing number of 1972 1¢ MD-5-O-I+II. Those trying to sell them at a premium identify them as “5-O-I+II” but they leave off the master die indicator “MD.” If you are fairly new to doubled die collecting, don’t let yourself fall victim to these scams. If you would like to add a specimen of the doubled master die to your collection for educational purposes, go out and look for them yourself. Since the majority of 1972 cents show this doubling, you should easily find one for the cost of a “regular” 1972 Lincoln cent.

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That's exactly the places I see it. Thanks. I feel a little better. Its worthless but at least I'm not crazy. Well, as crazy

 

You are too good at this. . I envy you. You should be a detective

 

Does anyone disagree with Rick. Just curious?

 

Never really find myself feeling disagreement with this guy, he is very good at what he does and has over turned many coins that were deemed not doubled dies by many.

 

Always listen closely when @Rick Stachowski and @alurid chime in. The holy choir of coins sing in my head when they speak haha

 

I wasn't saying anything bad. He helps me a lot and always has references . might not always be the best news but very helpful. I think he has ties to coneca if I'm not mistaken.

 

I wouldn't doubt it. He has the eagle eye. I know what you mean. You just want to make sure that he is what you think. He is very informative yes. Love when he makes sure that I look for things in my nice examples of older dates that I have posted from time to time. He really the one who made me realize that something's you might not be able to tell are DDO without knowing where to look. Showed me his example of his 1960 d ddo just like he did with you

 

I have to find that 09 and post it. I almost chunked it in return pile cause a lot of the reverse I thought was pmd.

Rick pointer out my 1982 zinc ddr but I had a guy at local coin shop disagree but this guy was only using cherrypickers as reference and I didn't know better to tell him is was coneca. I'm sure I've missed so much by not checking the different books. I will from now on for sure.