What would you grade this 1921-S Raw Morgan?

62-63

 

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Thanks for sharing, I am pretty good at grading Morgans. What you have here is a MS63 and you can take that to the bank.

 

I'm going to remember this one. I'm sure it'll come up handy in the future.

 

Ed. Trying to hang your hat isn't gonna get you to many Kudos.

I do see what could possibly be looked at as wear, the factor here is the strike, I think it could Go either way, But if it gets MS then I will stay with my grade.

 

Ed DOES have an advantage over us commoners. He just pulled out his grading set, of 1921 S Morgans from P-01 > MS67.
Looked at them said: THIS ONE !!
Looks just like his PCGS cac MS63 OGH
PCGS & NGC are actually bidding against each other right now as we speak, to retain his services, to fill the vacant position of grading finalizer, 2nd shift.

 

This one I don't think will be making any trips to So. Cal or Florida. In my opinion there is just too many things holding it back from making it worth while to spend the money on the grading fees.

I looked through all the listings on VAMWorld and could not make a match. Maybe I will post some high resolution images so you VAMpires can give it a whack.

I heard that there was other VAMing recourses out there? I joined the SSDC back in March, but have not heard anything. Is there a website or something for it?

 

Here are some full resolution images. I lit the obverse so you can see most of die polishing lines which are incredibly numerous!!

 

That baby is 100% Unc to my eyes...what's to lose buddy...hit those spots with a q-tip soaked in 100% strength Dip solution. You get those spots out and she is a 64 IMO...maybe more

 

I'm not seeing any scribbling at the tail feathers but is that a dot on the eagle's left wing tip?

 

Just get with @messydesk, who is an SSDC board member, former President and the guy you sent your money to if you paid electronically.

I've been in the "bad" part of my work schedule - two days off out of sixteen, and those not connected - and haven't had the time or inclination to get deep into a 1921. Today is the last of that run, and since I can finally stay up late again tonight I'll see what I can do with these amazing images.

We need a set like this for every VAM. It'd make attribution a bunch less dramatic.

 

I need to forward some payment info to the SSDC welcoming committee. Sometime this week, depending on when I pick up a certain coin in the mail needed for an article, I'll be sending out one of the newsletters -- the VAM-e. I've also added you to the SSDC registry, which is basically a set registry only for VAMs, with set compositions defined by and for VAM collectors. The SSDC also pays for VAMWorld, which is the most actively maintained resource on VAMs (or any other specialty) that you'll find.

 

I have my problems with VAMworld - the wiki format is ludicrously insecure for its' importance and too few are providing genuine, relevant high-resolution imagery - but this is the very first time this process has ever been tried in such an open, collaborative format and it's orders of magnitude better than where Morgan varieties could be.

Lose the "anybody gets to edit" format and find someone with deep pockets, a good camera and a lot of time on their hands, and it sets a new benchmark for numismatic research. Even higher than the one it's already set.

 

For better or for worse, the amount of information exceeds the ability for any one unpaid person to moderate it, much less maintain it. The Wikispaces platform allows us to lock pages or allow only privileged users to update them. There's no "pending moderator approval" states supported, and we do want people to contribute meaningful stuff, so we leave it open to everyone and accept the possibility of mistakes or a signal-to-noise ratio that's lower than we'd like.

 

60 light strike I might push it to a 58 with details,too many lines, almost looks cleaned, sorry I'm really picky.

 

A nice 63 for me..

 

Doug has thrown his heart and his life into making this forum work. Aside our differences, I understand that at a gut level because I've done it too. There are thousands of persons doing just that as we speak, giving their best efforts without compensation towards the furtherance of their chosen community. It's the backbone of the social Internet.

That's what VAMworld needs, the same thing that any and every online community has: effective Moderation. The lack of "pending moderator approval states" is its' Achilles' Heel. It has not yet been really victimized by a truly capable troll, but when/if one does turn his/her attention to it, it will take years to fix because every_single_page will need review by someone qualified to judge the veracity of the information. That's a lot of pages, and better to be proactive rather than reactive.

I've no idea how to make the place better from here; I'm not that wise. I'm only wise enough to understand what's at risk, and experienced enough to understand the degree of risk. That latter seems to be underestimated.

It's an unfortunate truth that most of the progress in VAMming is coming from those whose small contributions are all of the best they can do, and those whose contributions are directly related to the level of their disposable income, which is not normally associated with altruistic motives.

 

There are moderators on VAMWorld that will step in and make things stop when necessary. This has including suspending members and locking or deleting discussions. Wikispaces does keep a change history, so if someone sabotages various pages, they, and I believe the entire wiki, can be reverted to a known good time.

 

Anyone have any guesses as to the VAM on this one? I've drawn a blank and hit a wall with it. Is it possible it's a new one?

 

Im thinking it is although-
I gave up after about 5 mins
I didnt see any markers to go off of, other than the obvious die polish.

 

Exactly, and with as much die polish as there is on this one, you would think it would be a major pick-up to go on. Yet it does not match any of the obverse die polish listed VAM's. I also eliminated all the scribbling die scratches as none are on this example. It's a head scratcher for me.