Just won this rare Henry VIII penny

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Towards the end of Henry VIII's reign, in about 1545 or so he debased all of the gold and silver coinage. The coins went from 92% silver down to as low as 25% in the early years of Eddie VI's reign. Henry was fighting wars with while living rather lavishly, and the crown was broke. All of the good silver coinage either went to the melting pot or the continent, while the devalued coinage, which was of poor quality, was all that was circulating. Wikipedia has a nice little article about it title "The Great Debasement." It's similar to why Henry IV coinage is scarce well.
     
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  3. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Very nice penny of king Henry, Orfew. Well struck and fully detailed. I like it.

    Going through my box of assorted european coinage last week, I found this little coin, never attributed. It looks a little like yours but chipped and dark.
    If anybody could attribute it, that would be great. I can see Civitas London so that is where it was struck London. That much I know.

    Here are some of my coins of Henry VIII and family:

    Penny of Henry VIII (?)
    Henry VIII Penny-obv - 1.jpg Henry VIII Penny-rev - 1.jpg


    Half Groat of Henry's father, Henry VII:

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    Groat of Henry VIII as a young man:
    Henry VIII-Groat young head -Obv - 1.jpg Henry VIII-Groat young head -Rev - 1.jpg


    Groat of King Henry VIII in his later years:
    Herny VIII Groat-Old Head-Obv - 1.jpg Herny VIII Groat-Old Head-Rev - 1.jpg
     
  4. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    And of Henry's children:

    Shilling of Edward VI:
    Edward VI Shilling-Obv - 1.jpg
    Edward VI Shilling-Rev - 1.jpg

    Penny of Elizabeth I
    Elizabeth I-Penny-Obv - 1.jpg
    Elizabeth I-Penny-Rev - 1.jpg


    Shilling of Elizabeth I:
    Elizabeth I Shilling.jpg Elizabeth I Shilling-Rev.jpg


    Sixpence of Henry's eldest daughter Mary, married to Philipp of Spain.
    Philip & Mary Sixpence (from CNG 2008).jpg
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That QE1 shilling is awesome. Exactly the appearance I hope to find when I add an Elizabethan coin to my collection one day. I'll likely go for a sixpence, though, since those are more often dated, and I like hammered coins with dates.

    Why did the sixpence and some small-denomination coins of QE1 get dated while the shilling and larger denominations didn't, I wonder?
     
  6. Nerva

    Nerva Well-Known Member

    The sixpences are scarcer than their value indicates. People like big coins, so the more common shillings are more expensive. Interesting question on date - I don't know!
     
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  7. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    I remember posting something about this on CT some time ago. As I recall, the first time dates appeared on British coinage was during the reign of Edward VI (son of Henry VIII and brother of Elizabeth I). This practice was then discontinued and dates were reintroduced by Elizabeth during the last two years of her reign on some coins. The smaller silver denominations had the full date 1601 and 1602 whereas the larger coins only had 1 and 2 struck on them.

    Dates were once again discontinued for many years after her death.
     
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  8. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Hi @Eduard your first coin looks to be a Henry VIII sovereign penny SCBC 2349. The mint Mark is a lis and the obverse legend reads h D G ROSA SIE SPIA.
     
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coins everyone!
     
  10. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Sorry about the auction house mistake, Orfew... but that is indeed a very nice Henry VII.

    My Henry VIII (so hard to find with a decent portrait, Eduard's is nice!), and a dated Elizabeth milled sixpence, 1568.

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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Henry VIII 2d TC Durham
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    Henry 8 groat Canterbury - a photo challenge
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    Elizabeth I milled 6d 1567
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    Elizabeth I 6d 1571
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    Elizabeth I 6d 1593 I have loaned this coin to three brides of which the most recent has kids in college now.
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    Elizabeth I 3d 1578 doublestruck
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    Charles I half crown (clipped) This was given to me as a thanks for some photos I did.
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    Charles I 1d holed
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    I know nothing about modern coins but a few found their way here one way or another.
     
  12. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Really nice!! And in a rare condition to moot with strong strikes and no visible flaws.. congratulations!
     
  13. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you very much for the attribution! This is very helpful:).
     
  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I contacted the auction house and heard back from them today. They have cancelled the transaction and apologized for their mistake. It was a great coin in very nice condition but I wanted Henry VIII not Henry VII.

    Thanks to all of those who posted their coins in this thread. I very much enjoyed the photos.
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I guess it is good in some cases to post the pictures right after winning.
     
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