"Marshside Stork" (love token on 1861 USA Seated dime)

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    "Marshside Stork" (love token on 1861 USA Seated dime)
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    Host coin: 1861 USA Seated dime, holed.

    Obverse: Seated Liberty, unaltered, with metallic stain from the old chain or loop it must have once been attached to.

    Reverse: Stork in marsh scene, surrounded by garlanded border, "R.W.S." initials below.
    Ex-eBay, October, 2011.

    At the time I bought this, I was collecting love token Seated dimes by date. I spotted this pictorial 1861 with a marsh scene and a stork on it. It isn't exceptional engraving, but pretty darn nice. Typically I'd spend up to fifty bucks on a really nice pictorial, and this one had a Buy-It-Now price of $49.50. That's a tiny bit pricey, but not out of the question for a piece like this. I had some eBay Bucks saved up so I used them to buy it.

    If we want to be nitpicky, the obverse could be a little better on this piece, but really it's all about the engraving. And this is better than most (despite my rather poor scans seen above).

    But here's the clincher... this piece has MY initials on it. Not just one initial... not first and last initials... but all THREE of my initials, in sequence! Love token specialists will tell you how rare an occurrence it is to find all of your initials in the proper sequence like that. I'm no mathematician, but they're rather long odds. It is a bit more common to find three initials in a tangled monogram of some kind.

    Also, I live in coastal Georgia's Marshes of Glynn, where scenes like this are common. Coincidentally, a stork flew right in front of my car the day I bought this! So you see why I had to buy it. Call it destiny.

    I used to own a different dime with a stork on it, but this one is special. I think the stork motif was used because these love tokens were used for christening gifts in the Victorian era.

    This was part of my first love token collection. When I sold that, I gave this piece to my mother, along with some other pieces that had her name and names or initials of her grandchildren on them. But now I want it back, since I'm starting a third love token collection! I guess I'll just have to find another "RWS". What are the odds? Hmm...
     
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  4. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    a very neat piece,Lord M. and a striking coincidence. What is the probability of coming across a LT with one's own initials on it? Sort of reminds me of the "Fermi problems" that the great physicist would pose to his students, to make them think and use back-of-a-napkin calculations. When I see that bird, I think Great Blue heron, or maybe egret. But wood storks do breed in your neck of the woods, also.
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I saw a bunch of storks there in the marsh the other day.

    And there is one @Stork here, too, who I've known a good while. :)
     
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  6. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Very cool! Thanks for sharing.

    I just picked up this one- my initials are JC and I thought it looked a bit like those two combined though I believe it is just a cursive C. Awesome that you found one with all three.
     

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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Actually, that's Old English, not cursive script. And while you could make an argument that that is a "C", to me it looks like an Old English "T".

    A "C" wouldn't have had that stroke at the top left, usually.

    The two letters are rendered almost identically, but the "T" will usually have that stroke at top left ... but it usually continues over to make the top bar of the "T".

    C vs T.png

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    So your letter there is an odd hybrid. It's either a "C" with an extra stroke added at top left (which is not unknown), or a somewhat stunted, fat "T".

    Could arguably be either one, I suppose.

    That's a nice looking love token. Simple, but nice. Do your other coins and yourself a favor and get a pair of pliers and crimp the staples on that 2x2 holder flat before they scratch something!

    Oh, and speaking of initials, I have another Seated dime on it that has "LM" on it for "Lord Marcovan". Had an 1851 gold dollar love token with "LM" as well.

    "JC" shouldn't be too hard to find, given time. I'll keep my eyes open for one.
     
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  8. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Thanks for that and for the great explanation!

    That was a seller flip.... gives me a good excuse to pop it out and handle it for a bit before replacing.
     
  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    2023 update/thread resurrection.

    My mother passed in December of 2021 and my sister Elizabeth inherited her charm bracelet watch band with all the love tokens I’d given her.

    Elizabeth asked if I wanted any of the coins back. I told her no- keep them on Mom’s charm bracelet. Except this one with my initials (shown above), which I wouldn’t mind having back. But it is not on Mom’s bracelet/watch band. We don’t know what became of it. Elizabeth said she’d keep an eye out for it.
     
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  10. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    Your odds, Sir Marcovan, are 1 out of 17,576 unique Love Tokens carved with three initials.

    Given the total surviving quantity of three initialed love tokens vs general minted coinage, I'd say you have basically two chances of finding another . . . . .






    SLIM . . . .
    and

    FAT . . . .




    Your friendly CT prognosticator.

    Z
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thanks for doing that math stuff!

    I guess the odds improve slightly (though are still rather long), if one were to include pieces that have R, W, and S in a monogram, in no particular order.

    I suppose you can see how gobsmacked I was to discover the piece in the OP. I couldn’t hit that Buy-It-Now button fast enough!

    I do hope it turns back up in Mom’s belongings.
     
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  12. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Cool find, hope someone finds it. Strictly speaking yes, one out of 17576 for those random letters to come up in order. But some letters are not that common as first letters in names (X, Z, Q, etc) so the chances are probably a little better than that. Having had someone inscribe it on a coin though... slim to none, leaning towards the slim side in your case.
     
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