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  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Here's an inexpensive countermarked coin I just couldn't resist and purchased a few years back. (From FORVM, as will probably be apparent from the writeup.)

    I like how the marks look on patinated bronzes.


    Tarsos, Cilicia, c. 164 - 37 B.C.
    [​IMG] Sandan was a Hittite-Babylonian sun, storm, or warrior god, also perhaps associated with agriculture. The Greeks equated Sandan with Herakles (Hercules). At Tarsus an annual festival honored Sandan-Herakles, which climaxed when, as depicted on this coin, an image of the god was burned on a funeral pyre.

    54127. Bronze AE 22, BMC Lycaonia p. 180, 106; SNG Cop 333 - 341; SGCV II 5672, F, 6.493g, 21.6mm, 0o, Tarsos (Tarsus, Mersin, Turkey) mint, c. 164 - 37 B.C.; obverse veiled and turreted head of Tyche right; countermark: radiate head of Helios within oval punch; reverse TARSEWN, Sandan standing right on horned and winged animal, on a garlanded base and within a pyramidal pyre surmounted by an eagle.
     
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  5. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I bought this (much worn) Aureus for a slightly reduced price many years ago because the seller didn't like the Banker's (?) punch mark underneath the chin of Augustus -- I didn't mind it all.

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  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    cool thread! how the heck did i miss it?

    my most recent countermarks,

    head of some guy...

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    grapes!

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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Ooh!

    Aureus envy @jamesicus!

    The banker's mark there would cause me zero remorse.

    (Of course I couldn't afford that even if it had a massive test cut all but bisecting the coin. *sigh*)
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    There's some server maintenance going on. Hopefully just a temporary issue.
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Good photography
     
  10. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    VKurt, what kind of animal does that countermark depict?
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I think this is one of our trolls.
     
  12. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Here is one of mine. Have others, but not photoed. Sinope/Pontus

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  13. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    That little mark would not bother me at all. I would love to have an aureus like that. Great coin.
     
  14. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Please excuse some rambling here -- offered with a warning that my memory is not too good these days and so dates etc. may occasionally not be reliable. Anyway, my recollection is that ancient coin collecting forty or so years ago was a great deal different than it is to today -- no computers, cell phones, the internet or elaborate auctions meant that most acquisitions (at least for me) were at small "mom and pop" coin shops; department stores (many of them had coin departments in the 1950s and 60s -- I used to buy many of my coins at Joske's of Texas in San Antonio in 1951); small local coin shows (lots of trading with fellow collectors there) and via "snail mail" from a few well known dealers (printed list mailers). My remembrances are of generally warm and friendly interactions with dealers and collectors back then -- but of course that is "old fogey" nostalgia at work -- there are many warm and friendly (and equally knowledgeable) dealers and collectors today -- exemplified by members of this Forum! And then, as now, a great deal of trust between all. Why all this? Well, I just had to set the mood for myself to post the following:

    I have owned the great majority of my coins for a great number of years -- some over fifty years -- and I have weighed, attributed (mostly using RIC and BMC) and photographed (some not very well) all of them. So I have a good amount of (sometimes not very well written and organized) research information relating to them -- and a vast collection of photographic images (many archived). It is now time to forego all the "blather" and finally address the aureus I posted in the spirit of my above ramblings! I think I bought it from a fellow collector about forty years ago for around $600 -- I cannot find my original information relating to the purchase. Worn Julio-Claudian aurei could be had for just a few hundred dollars in those days. I used to buy quite a few coins from Ed Waddell via his mailing lists back then and I recall him once phoning me to say he was going to mail me a Nero aureus -- I believe he wanted something like $300 -- and if I liked it to mail him a check, otherwise mail it back to him . Ah, those were the days!! Anyway, I bought it. I could only find a pic of the obverse in my archives (I swapped for it many years ago) -- I think the reverse image became corrupted when I transferred it to my computer:

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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Having started collecting in 1976 (as a lad of not quite eleven years), my numismatic history also reaches back into "olden days", and though I'm "only" 51 now, I feel "fogeyhood" approaching, myself. I remember having the opportunity to buy a Nero aureus for $900 in the late 1990s, but $900 to me then might as well have been $9,000 (and is still no trifling sum to me today).

    Maybe I will own one some day and maybe I won't. Congratulations on a fine looking Nero. I have noticed that many of the affordable circulated ones seem to come from Nero's reign, for some reason? He also seems well-represented in many of the hoards I've read about. Which is fine by me. He's certainly a colorful character- and colorful characters- good or bad- are what make the Roman emperors (and their coins) so interesting.

    The thought of a dealer sending an aureus out on approval, unsolicited, for a $300 price, does seem quite remarkable now, doesn't it? Tempus fugit.
     
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  16. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I've had this one for quite some time, posted it once last year. I had it out today and remembered seeing this thread sometime back.
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    Kassandros
    19mm, 6.33g. Amphopolis 306-297BC
    Heracles in lion skin right
    Rider on hirseback [counter stamp]
    SNG Munich 1001 Rv
     
  17. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Here I go again with bringing another old thread to life... I bought this coin uncleanwd recently for pretty cheap. I have not cleaned them yet, as I don’t really know how to but thet’s for another day. I see thst it has a counterstamp and using the limited resources on these on the internet I came across something I think it is. I believe it to be a Hadrians Head mark. From what Ive heard, these were made from 133-135 AD during the Second Jewish Revolt celebrating the attacks from Legion XII. Is this true for all of these or are some Hadrians Heads made for other reasons? I would also greatly appreciate any input on what coin this is, I have seen ?Domitians? name pop up a lot with these but have no clue— as you probably can tell I have no idea about anything ancient, though I would like too. I will also make a new thread for this. Thank you everyone! 68B7FEBB-0C5A-4959-BE07-2B010B2DD191.jpeg 9E67347B-81A6-48FA-ADD6-1DCBAFE82FFC.jpeg
     
  18. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Ptolemy II.. I love the Trident..
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  19. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Oh, that's great. Neat looking!

    I have no intelligent information about that piece, but I love the way the counterstamp looks. The deeply recessed rectangle and the cool patina just really sets it off, quite dramatically.

    'Twas a worthy thread resurrection.

    PS- the head doesn't look anything like Hadrian to me? (Looks more like I'm accustomed to seeing Nerva portrayed.) But of course I have no idea and will defer to those with more knowledge.
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    My old JC lifetime denarius was a bit of an ugly duckling, but came in under my $500/coin max budget for my Twelve Caesars set (if just barely).

    Had an interesting (N? Z?) banker's mark., which I didn't mind at all.

    (Now that I think of it, did the Romans even have the letter Z in their alphabet in the first century BC? Must be an "N".)

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