Interesting Lots, New Dealer at the V Mall

Or maybe to apply the old rubric "'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

 

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Problem is when foolishness and wisdom are defined by self-referential community standards. Tests are often subjective. I think it was another forum where someone reported a clear fake to an auction house, and the auction house refused to withdraw it because the same fakes had been sold elsewhere. I don't mean to disrespect expertise, but we shouldn't defer too uncritically either.

 

One problem with what happened here is that I think that many of the posters, if they were honest, might have to say they actually have little experience with the coins that they were judging. This isn't a "self-referential community standard" but rather an honest assesment of ones practical experience and knowledge.

 

I do have the greatest respect for Barry Murphy's expertise, and am ready to stand corrected, but still don't like the style on those OP coins. Like Doug, I would move on should they be offered to me for buying, even though they turn to be genuine (which seems to be the case)

Ah ! and I learned a new english word, thanks to @TIF : Pitchfork

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We shouldn't lose sight of the other issues. It's not just authenticity, but also the ten day authenticity guarantee that is disturbing. I stick to the concerns I raised about Vcoins, and their unethical behaviour in other contexts means I'm super-sensitive to other concerns people raise. My pitchfork is still at the ready!

 

Yeah, I didn't mean to totally dismiss all concerns raised here

As for CoinTalk vs Forvm when it comes to discussing such things, I much prefer the way it's done here-- where opining isn't limited to the elite. We may go overboard sometimes, but in the end things seem to work out and we all learn.

[shrug] I adore alliteration

 

Bump.

 

I agree. I personally will NOT comment regarding a coin being fake or real, as I do NOT recognize myself as an expert by any means. I defer to the experts and observe THEIR responses and ignore the "piling on" or the "go with the flow" comments...

I admit that I have made a comment or two stating that I would BUY a coin, but that would ONLY be for one that I would assume the risk at a very reasonable price. If I liked it, and purchased it for what I consider a price that I could risk that money... otherwise, I just cannot give my opinion as Yea or Nay, and someone makes a fatal purchasing error (fake coin purchase), just because of my "novice opinion" and wontonly commenting on the Forum.

I relegate those opinions to the experts whom are NOT me...

 

I ordered from them once and only once. They sent my coin to the wrong address (in the wrong country as well) and then claimed because the status showed as delivered that they could not do anything more. I immediately filed a PayPal claim and received a refund. I will never again buy from them.

 

If it makes you feel any better - if it takes you 200 years, I think it will take the rest of us 20,000 given you set the benchmark in ancient coin photography.

I agree wholeheartedly. I will add is that it is most helpful to never be too attached to being right. You learn far more where you can engage on a subject being prepared for the fact you could be wrong. The alternative is to get frustrated and stubbornly defend your position out of pride. I love being wrong - I know for certain I have learned something! I learned to stop feeling embarrassed and embrace it, even when making silly mistakes in public forums such as these.

I also believe that better and more informative outcomes occur in environments when people are prepared to challenge a opinion, from an expert of otherwise, by asking quality questions. There is much more value in asking "can you explain how this coin may still be a fake even though there is a die match to a known authentic coin" and then learning about die-transfer fakes , than simply stating "I disagree. It still looks fake to me".

From a learning point of view, the latter type of response, even from an expert, is unhelpful. Even if the expert is most likely right, just deferring to their expertise is just as unhelpful in my opinion. (I am not referring to Barry's post above as he elaborated upon his reasons). I once dealt with one of the best solicitors in their field in Australia on a matter. Every time I asked him a question about his view he would say "because I am the expert and have done hundreds of these". I told him "We have already established that you are the expert in the hourly rate we have agreed to pay you. Now, can we move on to talking about points A, B, C etc."