Define "Cleaning."

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  1. Insider

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    Cleaning is a chemical or mechanical operation on an item seeking to remove any foreign material in order to restore it as close as possible to its original state.

    I like it as it is shorter. More suggestions?
     
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  3. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Isn't that enough?
     
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  4. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    So does the crud on the carrots - muddy the water, that is. But original condition creates problems with babies, etc. "They all look like Winston Churchill dipped in 40 weight."
     
  5. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    "Cleaning"-working too much to remove crud from the wrong places.
     
  6. coins_coins_coins

    coins_coins_coins New Member

    The act of removing debris, dirt, or simply trying to restore something to its original looks.
     
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  7. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    Cleaning per your verbal constraints cannot be defined relative to the "coin world", and perhaps other collectibles, relative to other generally accepted applications of cleaning.

    Get over here and CLEAN my house and I might buy you a pizza. Clean my coin means it gets a details grade or body bagged, I going to get madder at you when I realize your wonderful house cleaning had you intentionally hiding my ball bat.
     
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hmmm, does it ? If I took a coin and held it under running water to get some dirt or dust off the coin - what exactly would that be except cleaning it ? And holding a coin under running water will do absolutely nothing to harm the coin in any way or cause it to get a details grade or body bagged.
     
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  9. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    It is the designation used often on labels for problem coins. "Cleaned" or even "Harshly Cleaned" are commonly seen on problem labels and who wants filthy, unsanitary coins? The grading collective chose the word in question and accepts it as such.

    There is zero doubt that the term "cleaned" with respect to coins is pejorative and a negative.
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As I have stated elsewhere, "cleaned" is nothing more than a contraction of the full term - harshly and or improperly cleaned.

    92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning

    94|N-4 Altered Surface - Whizzed, harsh cleaning, thumbed over
    (using a pasty substance to cover defects or alter the appearance).


    Even the codes used by PCGS clearly show that.
     
  11. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    In mathematical terms, "cleaned"with respect to coins equals the square root of negative cleaned.

    This proves my indisputable theory of cointivity.
     
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  12. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    There are residual effects. Tremors, pain, a stammer, a few other things. But it's easy to not stammer in writing. Clean spelling before a review and edit is tougher.
     
  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Is that another carrot reference?
     
  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    94 covers a lot of turf.
     
  15. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member


    Are those anything like dirt rockets?
     
  16. Basset hound

    Basset hound Member

    Cleaning - some thing my wife forgot to do ?
     
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  17. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I conserve coins, I don't clean them. "Cleaning" can be defined as what everybody else does to coins.
     
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  18. 7Jacnum

    7Jacnum Member

    Dear Moderator,
    Why is Mr. Bellman allowed to make such comments where he insults us all such as the reference "I have something approaching zero interest in interacting with the "common man". Is he so high and mighty. Are we not all created equal. Is he Godly or of superior being, maybe he is of the "Aryan race". I am chastised for responding to him, please forgive me. I did not know he was so superior.
     
  19. 7Jacnum

    7Jacnum Member

    And I thought this was a friendly forum.
     
  20. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member

    When those of you who slept through advanced mathematics realize the square root of a negative equals "j", the discussion is over and the question has been answered.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    But eddie, conserve is nothing more than a fancy sounding synonym for clean. And conserve is only used to make what you are really doing "sound better". It's a euphemism, nothing more. I'm pretty sure you're well aware of that though because, unless I am mistaken, I think I can hear a big grin hidden in your words there somewhere :)

    When it comes to "conserve", here's the deal as I see it. And I think this is kinda point that Insider was trying to make when he started this thread.

    Would you clean your house or would you conserve your house ?

    Would you clean the dishes after dinner or would you conserve the dishes ?

    Would you clean the carpet or would you conserve the carpet ?

    That list could go on and on, and I'm pretty sure all of you get my meaning. In none of those examples or any of the many others would anyone ever use the word conserve. Why ? Because there's no reason to, there is simply no reason to try and pretty it up and make it sound better when you are cleaning the house. But if you're gonna clean your coins - OMG we can't say that ! Some people put a negative connotation on the word clean - we gotta use some other word when we're talkin about our coins ! Let's use conserve - YEAH ! That sounds lots better :) Why nobody will ever know what we're really talking about if we use conserve !

    Well horse puckey ! You're doing exactly the same thing whether you clean the coin or you conserve the coin. Using conserve, well, I don't know of a better way to say it than it's nothing more than putting on airs - trying to make it seem like it's something it's not.
     
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