Is this coin authentic?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by biohc, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. biohc

    biohc Well-Known Member

    I've had this piece for a long time and always wondered if it is real or not. It's silver, 26 mm in diameter and weighs 16.9 grams. The head is in very high relief and the reverse is slightly concave. You can sort of see this in the photo. I see no seams around the rim or other indications of it be fake but I know little or nothing about ancient coins.
    Thanks for looking. Mike MVC-075S.JPG MVC-077S.JPG
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm by far no expert, but your coin looks wrong to me. I thought it may be a coin from Larissa, but I couldn't find anything like it. Don't take what I say to the bank. Wait for others to chime in.
     
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  4. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Hairstyle looks off to me

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    BMC 34 Katane, Sicily, AR tetradrachm, 405-404 BC. Artist Choirion. 26 mm. AΠOΛΛΩN beneath neck of laureate head of Apollo facing very slightly to left, strung bow in left field, lyre in right field, artist's name XOIΡIΩN to left of head / KATANAIΩN beneath charioteer, wearing a long chiton, driving a quadriga galloping right, rounding an Ionic column; Nike flying left above, crowning the charioteer; crayfish right in exergue. BMC 34; SNG ANS 1258; Hoover 575; Jameson 548; Gulbenki
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The worst thing about this one to me is the way everything has way too much room around it. Die cutters of the originals designed things as if they were looking at the world through a tube and never showed that wide angle look with margins. Most are off center a bit but perfect ones like the one H8 showed still look crowded. The style just strikes me as 'wrong'.

    Compare to all the ones here:
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.asp...R_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1

    Count the coins with 'boardwalk margins. I suspect you could research the fake databases and find a name of the modern engraver. Again, as always, this is not the place to ask about such a coin. If genuine, it is a 5 digit coin. You should not throw it away based on what some old guy who has touched fewer five digit coins than he has fingers tells you online. You could invest $50 in a certificate that I am rather certain would be a waste of money but probably is better than taking a vote here when it comes to finding the correct answer.
     
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  6. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I can't find an example signed by Herakleidas (right side of the obverse) with a reverse that looks remotely like yours.
     
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  7. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    The obverse is a die match for a Peter Rosa replica printed in Wayne Sayles' _Classical Deception_ page 137. This doesn't mean yours is fake; Rosa used genuine and fake models for his reproductions. What it does mean is that the number of fakes greatly outnumber the genuine.

    The reverse doesn't show up in Sayles' book nor in _Becker the Counterfeiter_.
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    NO. If you post some magnified images of its surface and edge I will elaborate.
     
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  9. biohc

    biohc Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the responses and opinions.
    sadly, I've misplaced it so I can't take any more photos until I find it.
     
  10. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    Neither coin illustrated above is authentic.
     
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