Gallienus / Mars Temple

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  1. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Here is my newly arrived Gallienus. I have wanted this type for a while and found this:)
    I think it "exactly" matches the one here;)
    http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/gallienus/t.html
    GallienusMarsTemWildwinds.jpg
    What do you think?

    Gallienus, AR-Billon Antoninianus.
    GALLIENVS dot P dot F dot AVG, radiate, cuirassed bust right
    DEO MARTI, tetrastyle temple with Mars standing left within, holding spear and resting hand on shield.
    RIC 10 var (dots in legend); Goebl 889i; Cunetio hoard 714; Elmer 85; Stevenage hoard 508; RIC 10 var (dots in legend); Sear 10195

    My Pics:
    Gallienus475MarsTempleO1_edited-1.jpg Gallienus475MarsTempleR2.jpg
     
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  3. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Way cool bust type!! Congrats!

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  4. tobiask

    tobiask Well-Known Member

    Gallienus' face looks extremely realistic on this coin. Very interesting.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have a dozen or more Gallienus coins, but none with this reverse. Nice!!
     
  6. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    looks like the same one to me for sure. nice!
     
  7. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I was considering trying to remove the green from the coin but with confirmation that this is the same actual coin on wild winds I will likely just give it a quick acetone bath and enjoy the coin as it is. I do not another published coin in my collection to my knowledge.
     
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  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here's a temple coin of his wife that is so similar in reverse inscription and iconography, that I think it was intended as a companion issue:

    Salonina DEAE SEGETIAE antoninianus.jpg
    Cornelia Salonina, AD 253-268
    Roman silvered billon antoninianus; 2.66 g, 20.6 mm
    Cologne, AD 259-260 (Joint reign)
    Obv: SALONINA AVG, diademed and draped bust, right
    Rev: DEAE SEGETIAE, Dea Segetia, nimbate, standing facing in tetrastyle temple
    Refs: RIC 5; Cohen 36; RCV 10631; Göbl 902c; Elmer 96; Hunter 21
    Notes: Some attribute to Lyons mint, AD 258
     
  9. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    yup good idea, leave it as it is. if you must do anything to it, give it a coat of verdi-care. can't beat that for a reference being "the" coin, not "a" coin.
     
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  10. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    a little ammonia would likely take the encrustations off.
     
  11. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Great coin TJC, love that bust type and great temple.
     
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  12. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Excellent example! My DEO MARTI, with a different bust type, and distinctly more grotty :D.

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  13. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    What is the deal with left-facing busts of Gallienus? Are they special presentation issues?

    I found the coin below in a batch of uncleaned coins. After cleaning and IDing it (RIC 492; RIC doesn't distinguish between left- and right-facing obverses) I put it up for auction on eBay. I knew it was unusual, so I hoped it would bring maybe $10-15. It ended up selling for around $250. So my guess is there is something special about the obverse portrait. Can anyone tell me what that is?

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  14. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    @gsimonel, it is my observation that left facing busts of Gallienus typically sell for premiums and are more rare, but not to an extreme. Your coin may have sold for quite a premium because of the left facing perhaps, but I am thinking the radiate crowned helmut has more to do with it.
     
  15. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    one reason it sold for so much might be because it a rarer spear forward bust, versus the more common spear over shoulder.
     
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Excellent coin and clear photos. On my screen the coin looks a bit red which I fear would come off in ammonia but if that is a photo problem and the coin is gray I don't see a problem trying.

    The reverses that come with left obverses seem to have been used until the dies really were shot making it hard to find a great coin on both sides. There are several styles. My favorite:
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    'Also ran' but not a common type:
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    OK, Antioch, why did you make the lion so small? This coin would have been twice as good if they shot the reverse with a telephoto lens.
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  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice helmeted coin. Looks like you scored the wildwinds example. I like to compare actual busts with the coin portraiture. This bust has Gallienus with a concerned, furtive look (as well he should have been given the chaos of the era).

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  18. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    At Doug, there is a couple areas of red deposit but the rest of the coin is the typical silver gray.

    And here is another couple left bust:
    GallienusLeftLion475O.jpg GallienusLeftLion475Rx2.jpg
    Gallienus / Small Lion
    Antioch Mint 265 AD
    Obverse: GALLIENVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust left.
    Reverse: P M TR P XIII, lion standing left, bucranium (cow skull) between front legs
    C VI P P and palm branch in exergue
    References: RIC 602, Göbl 1622d; RSC 843 Scarce.
     

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  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have a had few standard lefties of Gallienus. My favourite of them is the following SAECVLARHS AVG

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    My favourite portrait of his that I have owned is:-

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    Probably because it is such an untypical portrait.
     
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