FROM ATHENA TO ROMA

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  1. PMONNEY

    PMONNEY Flaminivs

    The Greek classical numismatic representation of Athena shows her wearing a traditional Corinthian helmet, except for the Athenian "owl" coinage where she wears a close-fitting helmet, probably identical to that worn by the Athena statue erected in the Parthenon.
    The Romans adopted the Greek goddess, calling her "ROMA". She is represented on Republican denarii wearing a Roman style helmet to distinguish her from the Greek model. Here are the three representatons
     

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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I've not read (or sought to read, yet) how certain Greek gods became adapted to Roman culture, but I thought Greek Athena became Roman Minerva rather than Roma. I guess there's no reason Athena couldn't have been co-opted into both entities.

    Can you recommend some articles about the subject?
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Two small bronzes from Pautalia in Thrace, each of Faustina Junior.

    Athena (she's holding an owl):

    Faustina Jr Pautalia Athena.jpg

    Roma (holding a Victoriola):

    Faustina Jr Pautalia Roma.jpg
     
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Why is the second coin's reverse figure deemed Roma rather than Athena?
     
  6. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    I don't agree with the OP that Athena = Roma. Athena was the equivalent of the Roman goddess Minerva. The City Goddess Roma shares many representational attributes with Athena and Minerva, which perhaps leads to confusion. All are typically depicted wearing helmets, with Athena/Minerva typically depicted in a Corinthian helmet. Certainly from 212 BC, when Roma is prominent on Rome's new denarius coinage, Roma is depicted in a Roman helmet of varying form, but not a Corinthian helmet. There is some talk among Roman Republican experts whether certain earlier Roman coin depictions of a Corinthian-helmeted goddess may be early representations of Roma, rather than Minerva.

    This is often guesswork, based on common representational attributes, as the gods and goddesses are often not named on the coinage.
     
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  7. Agricantus

    Agricantus Allium aflatunense

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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

  9. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    That does look interesting. Lectures. Could be good treadmill material!
     
  10. PMONNEY

    PMONNEY Flaminivs

    I am afraid,an article still needs to be written on the subject !
     
  11. PMONNEY

    PMONNEY Flaminivs

    Thank you for your interesting comment.
     
  12. dougsmit

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    I wish I could agree with the Owl=Minerva, Victoriola=Roma theory but I'll say it usually works but not always. Roma never has an owl as far as I have seen but Minerva comes both ways as shown on the MINER VICT first below.
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    MINER VICTR
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    Neither MINERVI CTRIC
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    ROMAE AE(TERNA)
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    Of course, using Emesa mint Septimius as evidence for how the Romans did things is wholly ridiculous. After all they made the coin below with POMA which made a lot more sense to the Greek speakers at the mint.
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    I would love to see an example of a coin marked Roma with the owl if anyone has one.
     
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  13. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ...so one could speculate that Minerva is possibly "Bi"?:rolleyes: (comedians out of work everywhere and here i am trying to be funny:cigar:)
     
  14. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have a couple of Emesa - POMA (two different obverse dies, same reverse die) the second of which arrived this week.

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    Alexandrian ROMA also conform to the Victory based reverse

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    stevex6 Random Mayhem

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