Found this on my project table... 1897-S MorganMorgan

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by DysfunctionalVeteran, May 22, 2017.

  1. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    ... with a strange reverse bubble near the arrowheads. There also seems to be a small strike through on the obverse.

    Its too bad someone cleaned it at some point.

    What are your thoughts on the cause of the bubble???

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  3. DysfunctionalVeteran

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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Interesting!

    Planchet flaw of some kind?

    Certainly looks to have preexisted the strike.

    Is the "bubble" raised or concave? I'm not on the ideal device to view the pix.

    Nor am I the ideal person to contribute intelligent commentary on error and variety coins. ;)
     
  7. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    The bubble is slightly raised like parking lot speed bump.
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I thought it might be. I say again, "interesting!"

    But that's all I can contribute, aside from the vague notion it's a planchet flaw of some kind.

    I have no idea what might've caused that, without veering off into pure guesswork.
     
  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    It's funny you post this ....as I just posted a 1943 P Jefferson nickel with the same issue.
    Since no one had any ideas as to what caused this on my coin,and one just wanted an answer without thinking it out or researching the answer.
    It's a platchet flaw, caused by a gas bubble , an alloy issue on how they were mixed. Or possibly something foreign in the mix.
    Notice how the top is sort of split like a dinner roll. Once opened it's a lamination error . Cool find.
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I would expect it on a War nickel like @Paddy54 described. Very common on those. Kinda surprising on a 90% silver dollar, though (to me, anyway).

    Thanks for essentially confirming what I was thinking, Paddy. I concur. I just didn't wanna go talking gas bubbles and laminations and such since I felt I was getting out of my depth.
     
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  11. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    Thanks. I asked Cascade and he thought maybe a die dent. The gas makes sense too.
     
  12. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I'd check it with the vam guys. If it's from the die, they would know about it.
     
  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Lord have you checked out my images on the 43P? @lordmarcovan
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yes agreed however I do have a few silver dollars that have lamination issues one in particular an 1934 S....what also strike me strange is woodie coins cents and nickels.
    Now granted I've have seen them all dates.
    However what I've noticed is the peak seems to be early 1900's - through - the 1930's! And what I've been studying is not only U.S. Coins but world coins also during the same time frame.
    It be a cool study on metals used during that time frame.
    Compared to before and after that period .
     
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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Interesting. What was so radically different about metallurgy or planchet preparation in that period, I wonder? The machinery? Makes me also think about how the Titanic was supposedly partly doomed by brittle steel.

    Of course, once the conversation goes into metallurgy, then I'll really be out of my depth for sure!
     
  16. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I have found quite a few more modern "Woodie" cents but for some reason they are relegated to only one side of the coin, ob. or rev. But not past 1981 so far.
     
  17. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Did you try popping it with a stick yet?
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    What, like a dead horse? LOL

    Geez, do I need to report you for coin abuse? :eek:

    He beats his coins with sticks. Hmm...

    ;)
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    No. Linkify?
     
  20. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    "The 43 P Jefferson nickel" sorry on the pad it doesn't cut and paste very well. Search it's title
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2017
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    My Fire tablet ain't too swift at copy/paste, either. Some things are better with a mouse and keyboard.

    Dude, you had several 1943 threads! LOL

    But this has to be it.

    That's cool. I dug a high grade (not UNC) Warnick out detecting, once. Was covered in crazy laminations. Being buried 50 years may have sped up the deterioration. I still have it in my dug finds album but don't have pix.
     
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