Roman Republican Sextans - How do you attribute?

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  1. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    In @Aethelred 's post "My First Republican Bronze" I posted a link to a portion of the Crawford Catalog I have been perusing online. In that same thread was this comment:
    As a newcomer to Ancients I wish reference material such as Crawford and RIC, & etc. were more readily accessible. If it weren't for sites like this one and those like @dougsmit 's and the support of a few colleting friends I'd most likely still be collecting that ubiquitous US coinage. Even though I'm still learning I feel I have a decent grasp on Imperials but these early Republicans seem dauntingly difficult.

    My goal was, and still is, to acquire a nice representative example of a Janus/Prow AE As but I got sidetracked.

    I bid on, and won, a RR bronze from eBay that had no info other than "Roman Republic 5,5 grms" - I've spent the last few days (before the close of the auction) trying to identify it so that I would know exactly what I was buying but with no luck. I went ahead and bid since it looks ok to me and I didn't want to lose it. Another couple hours today and even still I'm having no luck finding a similar example. The Monogram in the right field is stumping me.

    Am I confusing a part of the Galley Prow as being part of the monogram? Possibly is this P. Manlius Vulso?

    Ok I guess I'll jinx myself even though it's not in hand yet, but otherwise this will be driving me mad all weekend.

    Here is the coin (sellers pics):
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    Sextans
    Obv: Head of Mercury wearing winged cap (petasus), 2 pellets above
    Rev: Prow of galley right, Roma above, 2 pellets below
     
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  3. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    As you suspected, yours is a Crawford 64/6a "MA" sextans struck in Sardinia under the praetor P. Manlius Vulso circa 210 BC similar to this: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1102138

    It's over struck on something, probably a sardo-punic bronze, and that is part of the reason it looks a bit strange, but the "MA" is the only thing that's part of the monogram. It's a nice example. Unfortunately there's really no shortcut for these except looking at a lot of coins and learning the different styles.
     
  4. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Congrats Dadams, really nice coin with good details.
    Mine is from Sicily , same time period.

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  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Wow @dadams , I'm not into Republican bronzes, but if I found one as nice as yours, I don't think I could pass it up. Nice catch, man. That is a fantastic example you got there.
     
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  6. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    That is a great little coin @dadams, I envy you. For what it might be worth that coin is listed in Sear as SR-1226 and according to Sear was issued 211-206 BC, during the Second Punic War.
     
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  7. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    Speaking of the Punic wars, I have a coin coming from Carthage, but I'm not showing it till I have it in hand.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Looking forward to that!
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow!! => congrats on scoring that OP-stunner!!

    :rolleyes:

    Hey dadams, I'm not an "expert" on AE RR's but I do recall seeing that monogram

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    ... again, I'm technically not an expert at attributing these gorgeous coin-types

    => congrats again on scoring that sweet OP-coin
     
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  10. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Time moves quickly. Five years from now you'll have a much better grasp of the material. In fifteen years, people will be asking you your opinion. Stay with it and enjoy the learning curve.
     
  11. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    @dadams is a scholarly fellow and a quick study. I'd ask his opinion now.
     
  12. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    Thanks to @red_spork for easing my mind about the attribution. I kinda slipped into this one unintentionally but am now even more excited to get this one in hand.

    @Sallent this is my 1st RR coin and when I saw it I had to have it!! I've been looking at a lot of RR bronze lately and the detail on this one screamed "BUY ME".

    @stevex6 nailed this one on the head as what I was originally seeing was C M. Figuring out that M was a ligated MA was not so easy for me.

    @Aethelred is much too kind, but I appreciate the kudos. Much of what I like about Ancient collecting is the research - everyday I learn something new. I aspire to have the retained knowledge I see many here have. You guys & gals ROCK!

    -Doug
     
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