My little doggy

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  1. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My newp arriving today is a tetradrachm of Philip I from Alexandria, year 3 (August 245 - August 246) with reverse showing Serapis seated left with his 'pet' three headed dog Kerberos (Cerberus) at his feet. I have several coins with Cerberus accompanying Hades, Pluto or, now, Serapis but this one has the best facial details I have seen on two of the three heads. It is not the silliest reason I have given for a purchase. I am a bit offended that this seated coin is listed in Emmett as 3508 without mention of the dog but the standing version (3507) lists him. I note that the face on the third head seems more clear on the smaller image. That means there will be at least one reshoot of this one!
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  3. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Very nice and different, I can't recall ever seeing one of these. Congrats.
     
  4. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Sweet!!! I love that cool reverse!
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Super cool Tet, Doug. Never seen the type either.
     
  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Super coin and great photograph!
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Very nice Doug. I have no Cerberus coins to share.
     
  8. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Very nice! Part of the reason I bought this coin from Ken was because of Cerberus, and have since been looking for other types from Caracalla. I really like the tet though! (I don't believe Cerberus's head shows up well in mine...)
    Anc-09-R4-k0198-Caracalla-Phrygia-AE30-Hieropolos-NGC 3598775-015.jpg
    Provincial Rome - Phrygia
    Caracalla, r. 198-217 A.D.; Hieropolis, AE30, 30 mm x 12.36 grams
    Obv.: AV K M AVP ANTΩNΕINO/C. Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: ΙΕ POΠ ΛEITΩN. Nemesis, wearing polos, standing facing, head right, holding rein or halter. To right Serapis, enthroned left with Cerberus at feet.
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Very nice! If you ever tire of it, I'd be happy to give it a new home :D

    Here's my best Cerberus which I've shown many times, with one excellent dog head, one "sort of looks like a dog head if you squint", and one barely-there head (die polish victim?).

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Julia Mamaea
    year 13, CE 233/4
    tetradrachm, 24 mm, 14.36 gm
    Obv: IOVMAMAIACEBMHTECEKCTPA; Draped bust right, wearing stephane
    Rev: Serapis enthroned left, holding scepter, extending his right hand toward Cerberus seated at his feet; on throneback, Nike standing right, holding wreath and palm frond; L IΓ (date) to left, palm frond to right
    Ref: Emmett 3226.13 (R4); Köln 2540; Dattari (Savio) 4517; K&G 64.119
     
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  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Wow, Doug, that is without a doubt the nicest Kerberos that I've seen on a coin. On the vast majority of these that I've seen, it usually looks more like some kind of mutant potted plant. I'm very envious!

    Mine, distinctly the potted plant variety.

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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Rotating the light a bit really made a difference on which head looks best.
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  12. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I recently posted that I wrote a site on year 5 coins of Severus Alexander.
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/SevAlex/

    Some of them have Kerberos (Ceberus), the three-headed dog, although not with the clarity of Doug's prize.
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    This type has Serapis seated. Ceberus (the three-headed dog) is at his feet left.
    The obverse legend is long:
    A KAI M AVP CEOVHR AΛEΞANΔPOC EVCEB
    Imperator Caesar Marcus AURelius SEVERUs ALEXANDERVS Pius
    L ΠEMΠTOY spells out the year (year 5 = 225/6). Minted for Roman Alexandria at
    Emmett 3135. 11.08 grams
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    That's awesome!!

    => Mentor, congrats on adding that super sweet Alexandrian winner!!

    :rolleyes:

    Wow, a few of you CT members have very cool Cerberus examples (congrats)

    Ummm, the closest I come to Cerberus is the monster Scylla, with her torso of dogs and fishes, wielding a rudder as a club
    ...

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  14. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Thats a wonderful coin Doug!

    My Serapis is missing his dog.
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  15. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    The dogs appear to be of different breeds. The lower one or the one in the forefront is Doberman like. The larger dog is more Great Danish.
     
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  16. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Lovely coin, to be sure, but Cerberus looks less like the three-headed dog from hell and more like:

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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Does anyone know of any studies on what existed in the way of dog variations in Roman times? A statement in Wikipedia makes the subject sound older than I realized:
    "By Roman times, most of the breed-types known today were well-defined and their qualities and functions recorded."
     
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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    There's a great deal of apocrypha about origin of dog breeds. Supposedly Rottweilers were the "ancient cart dogs of Rome" but there's really no proof; rather it was an assumption based on where they were common when Europeans started writing down such observations. Sometimes even a history that was "never in doubt" is disproved by DNA studies, such as were done on Pharaoh and Ibizan Hounds -- turns out they're not 5000 year old breeds after all, but rather are relatively modern recreations of an ancient type, probably only a few hundred years old.

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    What sort of breed is this? The mosaic appears to be one of the basic herding/pursuit landrace types (ie. a type that naturally develops in response to local conditions and demands of work) which today we might call a Border Collie.

    But is it a border collie? No, not according to the modern breed standard.
     
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  19. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I know some breeds were well defined in the Middle Ages based on their use in hunting. Edward of Norwich records many in his hunting manual (which I do not have with me...). I'm afraid I know nothing of Rome.
     
  20. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Unfortunately, this is the look on most of my dogs ...

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    => zero control and random mayhem (fun times!!)

    ... just like Dad!!

    :rolleyes:
     
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