Will These Scratches Cause a DETAILS Grade?

Here's a better pic of what I see.

The lines go underneath the devices, namely diagonally through the "V", and horizontally through the last "T" in "TRVST". The marks also seem to stop short of the devices, as if any scratches or polishing stopped short of the incuse of the die.

The surface has both extremely brilliant cartwheel luster and a PL quality, as if a mint worker polished the die to the extreme.

---> Here's the thing though... I've never heard of a PL 1922 Peace dollar! Though, maybe it's possible - I've seen it on a 1934-D (pic below) and I think a 1934-S Peace Dollar as well. So, is it a combo of both die polish / scratches and PMD?





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That super close up you just posted does look like there are both raised lines (especially around the T) and scratches (especially behind the neck)

 

Another pic, taken through a flip and with a USB microscope this time.

The scratches seem to stop at the date relief.

I believe that the long horizontal scratch is on the flip.

 

The light brown stain above the VST sure looks like residue from a dip that wasn't properly rinsed. It looks like it was left from a liquid evaporating. Over time, the dip residue (thiourea component?) will tone faster than the rest of the coin. That should be pretty easy for the TPG to see.

 

Do you think that the mirroring effect came from the dip that the seller used?

How do you remove that spot?

 

Well in the meantime, I left the coin in an acetone bath.

Here are the photos of the coin while taking advantage of the daylight, diffused through soft white curtains. It has very, very frosty surfaces.

 

Dipping usually dulls things and it will reduce luster by removing silver when the tarnish is removed. As to getting rid of the spots, no idea?? I would think you have to dip it again and then make sure it is thoroughly rinsed and who knows what that would do the surfaces.

I have a few PCGS 63 Peace dollars that I bought back in the early 90's. Over time, they developed darker spots in the shape of droplets and flowing liquid.

 

Yeah that's a good point about the dulling effect of dip. Maybe the seller lightly dipped this one. If I submit this one, it'll probably come back as an MS-63, but I'm wondering if PCGS will even consider it as a PL. Unless it's too hazy and only semi-PL.

 

Seems fine to me, but nice 22 peace dollars are a dime a dozen and not worth the risk of losing your submission fee for a details holder.

 

I'd submit it if it's PL. In-person, I can see that it passes the PL test, but maybe not in every single mm of the surface.

 

Do you think that PL is possible?

I don't think I've seen a 1922 Peace dollar this mirrored.

Assuming of course that it's not a Details grade.

Many of the lines look raised.

 

Does PCGS even label Peace dollars PL, I thought only NGC does that for various coins beyond Morgans.

 

I was able to get a response from a VP at PCGS. Since there's no precedent for a 1922 Peace Dollar (or any year) in PL, it's "not likely". So unless it's obviously a proof-like, it's not going to get a PL designation because they won't just "start doing it".

 

Did they happen to mention if that was their stance for the just the date or the series in general? I can't recall seeing any PL peace dollars from them and have been hoping they will soften their stance on not doing PL for other series

 

It sounded like a no unless it's a superbly proof-like, but that would be more of an exception.

 

That's unfortunate, but seems like a positive step that they will at least consider making an exception now

 

Yeah I was thinking, isn't a PL a PL a PL?... No matter how one looks at it, a PL can be objectively measured. I may just submit this and write a big bold note stating that it's a proof-like so they actually measure it and perform the test. It'll still probably come back as MS-63 or so. But you never know...

 

I would send it to NGC if you were hoping for the PL designation. They label them on any series where the coin is PL, while PCGS only does Morgans (for the most part).