1806 browning 4 quarter - pcgs get it wrong?

It's been fine talking with you folks . I have to help dad around his house today . I'll be back later on, have a great day too everyone ..

 

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It took me the better part of an hour going from the HONG KONG part of Stacks & Bowers to the American terms & conditions, lol. Learn something new every day. I was unsure how that site worked out in the 1980's, but understood back then, we weren't allowed to sell American Coins Internationaly. But, through the years, their special interest groups lobbied, and bought their selves a nice little piece of Americana. js.

 

So, how much extra $ did you pay to get the Browning # notated on the holder?
What kind of a premium does the B-4 *ADD* to an other wise normal 1806 quarter?
The way i see it, the damage on the reverse die actually negates the eye appeal of the coin. To me, only a dyed in the wool specialist would pay up 4 the coin. For the $ spent, me, and probably most others would want a nicer looking reverse if i were to pay what(?) $1000 +/- for this grade. Please correct me if im wrong here.

 

I didn't buy it from Stacks - I found it unattributed

I don't know what it adds - I know the 4 is r-5 and then it says this die state is extremely
Rare....I am in it about $6-700....

 

Much less than what you're being fed here. I've only a couple hours before work, far too short a time to list all of my disagreements with what you're reading. "Die stage" and "die state" are interchangeable terms describing the exact same thing.

 

Thanks!!

 

What is with the obsession of thinking these were used to light matches? They weren't

 

Damage isn't really the right word when its mostly as struck. I think it's interesting and kind of like it, but I can certainly understand that a lot of people will want full detail.

Which is pretty much the same for all of them: VAMS, WBs, Overtons ect. Most collectors won't care, some will like certain ones but not others and then some specialists types will be head over heels for them.

 

I knew someone wouldnt read that right. I never said a word about NOT being as struck. Go back and read again.
I disagree on vams, if an 1888o scarface doesnt interest a non vammer, ill bet an 1889p vam 23a would make you do a somersault backwards over your desk if found in your collection OR unattributed in a dealer stock or flea market etc etc.

 

Non vammers don't care about Vams, the majority of collectors don't care about Vams. Yes anyone would like to find a super valuable one to sell, but doesn't mean they care other than possible value. Interest and value are two different things, everyone on the planet will get interested if you tell them they could buy a 100 dollar coin and have it attributed as a scarface and sell it for 10k.

 

It's all about the rarity ....
Catch 22 .............

 

Thank you, for making my original point 4 me. The difference between THIS coin and one of the many value added vams is what i was saying to begin with.

Just stick with DCarr stuff,

 

The similarities are what you're missing.

May I assume you'll have nothing to do with New Orleans Morgans, since they're known for notoriously weak strikes?

 

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May I assume you'll have nothing to do with New Orleans Morgans, ? [/QUOTE]

I HAVE turned down quite a few O mints, on account of weak strikes. But, OFCOURSE not.

I honestly shouldnt even be commenting on this thread, idk much at all, about bust quonas, the value added varieties, how many people collect them by browning # etc etc, hence my original post posing the question

 

Great point, if this anomaly (im not even sure i know what it is) was on a Morgan, there would be some interest in it. I cant compare the vam community to the Browning community because ive never even heard of them.
I still believe that if i were to throw down a grand on one 4 the type set, it wouldnt be THIS die. Maybe others feel the same about adding a Morgan 4 the type, and thats why so many go with 80 or 81 S

 

What difference? They are both value adders if people know what to look for and both will be ignored by a lot of collectors. The only real difference would be that with the bust stuff some of them really punch you in the face like this one does.

 

I concede to your wisdom, and knowledge.

Im still wondering the same thing, that i was, in my original post though, what kind of added value are we looking at here?
Does anyone collect draped bust quarter by Browning # ???
There is a guy, iirc doing a complete capped bust set on CT. I dont remember the mans name though, maybe he will stop by.

 

With alost certainty, specific coins; in the grain of how it was originally pressed,(stamped) are stress marks, veins & ridges, and ofcourse the skin. The fingerprint if you will, most certainly works better for striking stick matches a certain way than others. I learned this as a kid too. Things work better some ways than others.

 

Seriously are you a match salesman? What is going on here and why at this point? It makes no sense at all

 

Thanks for all the activity! Appreciate everyone's insight!

So not a bad find for $600 or so despite some damage? Still a very pretty coin and rare variety I think...

So is it possible that a die pair like this b-4 which this pair is apparently r-5 could have a die state like this is unique enough visually with the cracks and all to make this specific die state something higher - the book says extremely rare which would warrant r-6 or r-7 right?

Not looking to flip, just filing it away....