What's going on with these Lincolns?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by C-B-D, May 4, 2017.

  1. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I was thinking the exact same thing!

    "Tiny bubbles on the cent
    makes me feel sappy
    makes me feel spent."


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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Well, it came from an album in the zinc slot. I don't see any doubling.
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am not from Il. but "show me" cause I don't see it!
     
  5. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Look at AMERICA and the " R " is the best place to start .
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The R does fancy the look.
     
  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Here's one from wexler site .

    1982 1¢ WDDR-001

    Description: Strong extra thickness shows on USA, EPU, the designer’s initials, and ONE. Separation lines are visible on AMERICA and the D in UNITED.

    Die Markers: Obverse: Small Date Zinc. A die scratch runs north from the upper left of the I in LIBERTY. Reverse: Heavy E/W die scratches run NNW/SSE through the statue of Lincoln. A die gouge (dot) can be found to the right of the upper T in CENT. Two die gouges can be found below the right side of the N in ONE.

    Submitted By: Peter Beane

    Cross References: None known

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  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    There's more for the copper small date too . That's why I asked what it weighed ..
     
  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    That, in and of itself, is a pretty sharp breaking ball. :)
     
  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  11. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I don't think it copper. All the bumps are classic sign of plating over zinc.
     
  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    My coin does NOT have any die scratches thru the Lincoln statue.
     
  13. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Seriously?
     
  14. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    MO is the "Show Me" state.
     
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  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Doesn't matter, wexler doesn't list the die state of his .
    Could be yours is a early die state, then the one wexler has showing ..
     
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Ya, seriously ....
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Your right! worked with a woman named Mo, and she was from Texas.
     
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK, you already knew my answer. So what's your real question ? Would it affect the grade in the opinion of the TPGs ?

    According to their own standards, it may even prevent the coin from getting a grade -

    93|N-3 Planchet Flaw - Metal impurity or defect in the planchet –
    depends on severity

    Given that a defective planchet, (and there's no doubt that's what this is, a defective planchet), can even prevent a coin from grading at all, there's no way that a defective planchet CANNOT affect the grade. So their answer has to be the same as mine - a definite yes.

    The question then becomes how much ? And you guys know as well as I do that their vagaries are unknowable, so there's no way to even guess with any degree of accuracy.

    As for me, well, I think I'd call the '82 a 62 and the '87 no grade as its issues pretty much cover the entire coin.
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It may be a planchet defect, but shouldn't be a reason to not get a slab. I have a few in great shape.
    I think zinc showing from the strike, is more volatile that plating blisters.
    The 87' deserves at least an AU58
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There is one thing and only one thing that ever makes a coin, any coin, AU - and that is wear.

    Things like contact marks, hits, dings, hairlines, minor scratches - a coin can literally be covered with them and that coin will still be considered MS, and justly so. It is only when a coin has wear that the grade of a coin is lowered below MS.

    There are however many things that can make a coin ungradeable - and that means no grade at all. Here is a list of them.

    82 Filed Rims Rim(s) and/or edge is filed.

    83 Peeling Lamination Potential for sealing damage.

    84 Holed and/or Plugged Any filled or non-filled hole.

    86 No Opinion – our experts are unable to determine a coin’s authenticity –
    fee not refunded

    87 Not Eligible For Service Selected – the coin is too valuable for the
    chosen service level – fee refunded

    90 Questionable Authenticity – the coin is most likely a counterfeit.

    91|N-1 Questionable/Artificial Toning (or Questionable Color for copper)

    92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning

    93|N-3 Planchet Flaw - Metal impurity or defect in the planchet –
    depends on severity

    94|N-4 Altered Surface - Whizzed, harsh cleaning, thumbed over
    (using a pasty substance to cover defects or alter the appearance).

    95|N-5 Scratch - depends on the severity of the scratch. Rim dent.

    96|N-6 No Service – coins we do not certify (i.e. medals, some privately
    made issues, etc.) or cannot certify (i.e. over-sized coins)

    97|N-7 Environmental Damage – i.e. corrosion, coating (lacquer),
    excessively heavy toning, etc.

    98|N-8 Damage – deliberate surface damage, i.e. graffiti, spot(s) removed,
    etc. – depends on severity

    99|N-9 PVC (Poly-Vinyl-Chloride) – a plasticizer used to produce vinyl that
    will leach out of the holder and onto the coin, eventually damaging the
    surfaces.


    Now these things that make a coin ungradeable were not defined or established by the TPGs, they were defined and established, and accepted by the numismatic community as being valid reasons for making a coin ungradeable long before the TPGs ever existed.

    And if one wishes to disagree with these principles, well, that's up to the individual I guess. But if you do, then you at least must give some consideration as to determining what standards you do grade coins by.
     
  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I don't disagree with the principles, In fact, only had to see him once in middle school. It was all I needed, he set a 3/8" thick 3' long ruler on the desk, though it was smaller than the one my Dad used.
    But to get the coin back to Au 58, this toning doesn't happen in a Mint set. It came from circulation.
    The gassy planchet unless I missed it doesn't have a break in the Copper.
    Unless the bubbles have happened since the coin left the mint, it should deserve a strait grade.
     
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