Should I dip it?

V. Kurt Bellman, posted: "I'll take that as an admission of being guilty as charged in my post #37. After all, PNG membership does not an expert make. It does, however, indicate a certain level of hubris."

Gloves off! Guess I over looked "hubris" when I gave you a "like" for your Post#39.

Well, I've taken it back. NOT GUILTY! You can believe what you like. While we both agree acid dips can be dangerous to use on certain coins, the folks who use it (on a regular basis) on non-silver coins really don't care what you don't know.

Furthermore, while I have limited bad experience with numismatic politics , I've found that word "hubris" applies to many "Coin Club Officers;" including ANA Presidents and Board members.

 

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Your Mommy must be so proud.

 

C'mon @Insider, we were both at Orlando, maybe even at the Candidates' forum. We're both big boys. We know the PNG is EXTREMELY controversial right now in ANA politics. Its influence on ANA policy is as controversial and hot as any topic in numismatics today. Suffice it to say that right now, PNG membership is NOT a badge of honor in MY opinion. Not for ANA purposes at least.

 

You are one of the people who makes it so pleasant to post to this forum. You have such a sparkling personality and a way of saying things that just makes people smile! Just like the other politicians from Pennsylvania.

 

Call it a visceral negative reaction to the image of your avatar. I've spent pretty much all my life dismissing people who put forth that type of imagery. I don't DO kumbayah.

They say Pennsylvania politics is a contact sport. No, it's a blood sport.

 

My mom passed away, but she would be pround of me. My avatar was drawn by my grandson and I think he did a good job. No you don't do kumbayah, you do bah humbug.. You don't have anything better to do than try and agitate people who post to this forum. Shame on me for falling for your tactics. If you get anymore full of yourself, you will explode.

By the way, when I joined this forum a moderator told me to not put my name or picture out there. He said there were people who would look me up on Google and post information about me. He was correct and I followed his advice and used my nickname and my grandson 's picture of me. Works fine with the rest of the forum.

 

To me, the acid isn't even the core issue. Maybe it WOULD be if I ever used eZest or any other commercial dip, but I never have. I've never even touched the stuff. My objection IS the combination of cupronickel and thiourea ITSELF, because the chemistry of silver and thiourea is where the proverbial "rubber meets the road", not so much the acid. The entire essence of the "dipping problem" is the tenacity with which silver bonds to sulfides, whether they be the photochemistry of argento-thiosulfates or their eventual breakdown products of ordinary sulfides.

 

To my knowledge, I have no idea who you are, nor do I much care, in case that's what you're implying here.

 

V. Kurt Bellman, posted: "We know the PNG is EXTREMELY controversial right now in ANA politics. Its influence on ANA policy is as controversial and hot as any topic in numismatics today. Suffice it to say that right now, PNG membership is NOT a badge of honor in MY opinion."

Looks like you may be uninformed on this subject too!

To the best of my knowledge, for at lest the past three decades PNG, and its members have been disparaged. However, in our defense, most of the members probably know more about numismatics than your typical "coin club hack."

I should not need to add this, but just for clarity - I don't believe that you belong in the "hack" group.

 

I wish, I received it in change one day. Lucky me

 

V. Kurt Bellman, posted: "To me, the acid isn't even the core issue. Maybe it WOULD be if I ever used eZest or any other commercial dip, but I never have. I've never even touched the stuff."

Oh great, Say it is not so...! I should have known it- you are writing about something you have NEVER used in spite of what you wrote in Post#35:

Well, that's OK. I have been cleaning coins since the 1950's (I even used baking soda as it was recommended back then ). So you can believe me when I say commercial dips (including thiourea) are used on all different coins by professionals.

BTW, just to drive the nail home...baking soda is used as an abrasive on a daily basis to conserve coins. When it is used correctly by those who know the techniques and when to use it - no one can tell - even using a stereo microscope! I've seen it done right in front of me on silver coins!

 

I'm an older timer if my hanky can't clean and shine it, not worth doing

 

Regarding the average knowledge of the typical coin club denizen, I am afraid I have to agree. People like John Eshbach are not being adequately replaced, and furthermore, the prospects don't look so good. Even Red Rose is becoming a gang of bullionistas.

The people I admire MOST in this field, and I do have a negative view of the modal dealer, I admit, are those who study the field for the studying per se, without the profit motive mixed in. They ARE exceedingly rare. It's the same deal as in my previous career, photography. The best photographers on the planet are people nobody ever heard of. They decided to eschew commercialism, and I admire that.

I DO use a thiourea dip of my own concoction that uses citric acid, not a more active one like sulfuric or hydrochloric. I have proven to my own satisfaction that "overdipping" effects are NOT from the thiourea, but from an excessively active acid. I only had to watch one guy overdip one coin in commercial dip to swear I'd never use it.

 

Don't feel bad. You should hear the stuff I mutter to myself watching one grey-haired spouse get in the Prius driven by the flannel-shirted other spouse. Not fit for CT rules, that's for certain. "Smug warnings today."

 

Life is too short to spend it constantly judging other people.

 

No, life's too short to spend it worrying about "saving the planet" with symbolic feel-good crap, is my motto. Planet's doing fine.

 

Duct Tape- it can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

 

I still wouldn't dip it. It would really mess up your dip.

 

Funny thing is I don't have any dip

 

Maybe French onion would be the dip of choice...