1903 Liberty Nickel on a 20 Centavos planchette

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  1. jdwills

    jdwills New Member

    Looking for help to see if anyone has heard of a Liberty Nickel on a Philippines 20 Centavos planchette from 1903. My research says that planchette was 23mm and about 5g which my Liberty V Nickel is, not the normal 21.21mm. Any help would be appreciated.
     
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  3. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I don't think a 23mm planchent is going to fit into a smaller cavity used to strike a 21.2mm Nickel. It would have to be a broadstuck error as well.

    Also, have you confirmed that your coin is struck on a silver planchet like the 20 Centavos?
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Sounds interesting. I hadn't heard of such errors, but would love to see pictures of them.

    The numismatic term is spelled "planchet", BTW. A planchette is that little thing people push around a Ouija board.

    My tablet just tried to spell it the same way as you did, however, so perhaps you were a victim of Autocorrect like I almost was. It figures Autocorrect would go for the Ouija board spelling. Silly Autocorrect.
     
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  5. jdwills

    jdwills New Member

    It sounds like it is struck on silver and does not appear to be a broad strike. Images show how it compares to a standard Liberty Nickel. Also I thought maybe it was the wrong die on the Centavos press as I believe 1903 was the first year is was struck at the U.S. mint. (Thanks for the clarity on Planchet) IMG_3095.JPG IMG_3096.JPG
     
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  6. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It looks like a broadstruck error. The planchet doesn't look like it's silver from your pics. To be certain if you have an accurate scale, the nickel weighs 5.000 grams while the 20 centavo from 1903 weighs 5.385 gms according to the Krause catalog.

    Your logic in thinking it might be struck on a 20 centavo planchet is fine, it's just that you really can't fit a larger diameter planchet in a smaller die cavity
     
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  7. jdwills

    jdwills New Member

    Hope the images help. Any thoughts?
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That's really neat!
     
  9. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    I agree with Oldhoopster, you cannot fit a larger planchet into smaller die cavity, it just doesnt work. I recommend you find a nice website or book describing the minting process and how mint errors are formed. As what is going on with your nickel, I am unsure. Maybe broadstrike or a poor counterfeit meant to be a 1913? Just guessing!

    -SC
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    My guess is it has been "texas sized" by putting it between two pieces of leather and then pounding.

    Not a broadstrike because the image is also increased in size without distortion. On a broadstrike the planchet my expand is size but the coin image either doesn't or i some cases the outer edges are stretched and distorted. That isn't the case here.
     
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  11. AkFlip

    AkFlip Member

    Why would anyone want to Texas size a coin
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Why does someone want to mutilate any coin, in any way? Don't know, but people do it. And an oversized coin which otherwise looks normal is in interesting novelty.
     
  13. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    To pass it off as an error.
     
  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The Texas coins are very popular with cents.
    And I agree with Conder. That was the first thing I thought of when I saw your
    coin. Someone pounded it a little larger.
     
  15. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    I agree. What the exact weight of the coin?
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    +1 as Conder101 hit it on the head a broad strike would show gross distortion .
     
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