Abdication of Diocletian and Maximianus

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  1. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    In 303 the two Tetrarchic Augusti announced their intention to simultaneously abdicate and retire (Maximianus somewhat reluctantly), their titles and authority to be assumed by the two Caesars, who in turn would appoint new Caesars thus perpetuating the system. Diocletian and Maximianus did in fact abdicate and retire together in 305.

    This unreduced follis, struck by Constantius (Caesar of the west) in the name of Diocletian, commemorates the abdication with wishes for a quiet and peaceful retirement in which to enjoy their status as senior Augusti.

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    Obverse: Diocletian, laureate bust facing right draped with Imperial mantle
    DN DIOCLETIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG

    Reverse: Diocletian and Maximianus wearing Imperial garments standing and facing each other
    PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG

    RIC Volume VI, Londinium, No. 77
     
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Very nice example and a type I still have yet to add to my collection.:(
     
  4. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Teaching write-up. BTW.. Who was Caesar of the East by that time ?
     
  5. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

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  6. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thank you JS. I just picked up 2 coins representing the abdicating Maximianus and the remaining Galerius. I chose them from my old folder. Maximian O.jpg Maximian R.jpg Galerius Ric 6  Cohen 48.jpg GalerSear88  Ale101a3718.jpg
     
  7. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Love those abdication follis. Here's my only one, for Maximianus at Serdica mint :

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    Maximianus, Abdication Follis Serdica mint, 1st officina, AD 305-306
    DN MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right, wearing imperial mantle, holding mappa and olive branch
    PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QUIES AVGG, Quies and Providentia, facing each other, S | F in field, .SM.SD. at exergue, officina A
    10,70 gr
    Ref : Cohen #489, RCV # 13408 (220), RIC VI # 15b

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  8. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    That is a really superb coin Cucumbor! Congratulations, and thank you for posting it.
     
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  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your interest and for posting those very nice coins 7Calbrey.
     
  10. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    huh, another history lesson for me. i'll have to look, i may have some coins of this type. kool thread and postings.
     
  11. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    is this coin of Maximianus? i'm supposing it is but not the coin of abdication? maxmiminus octoman frederick iv 001.JPG maxmiminus octoman frederick iv 002.JPG
     
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Another abdicator--less famous--was Vetranio, who abdicated the throne so that Constantius II could assume the position.

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    Vetranio AD 350
    Roman AE maiorina; 4.77 g, 24mm
    Siscia, AD 350
    Obv: D N VETRA-NIO P F AVG, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right; A to left
    Rev: CONCORDIA MILITVM, Vetranio standing left, holding labarum in each hand; star above; A to left; in exergue: •ΓSIS✷
    Refs: RIC 281; LRBC 1168; Cohen 1; RCV 18903
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    WOW, great coins! I do NOT have an Abdication, and now very interested. That is a great example @jamesicus !

    I have the players but not the Abdication Coins:

    DIOCLETIAN:
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    RI Diocletian Ӕ Quinarius 1.46g 16mm Rome AD 284-305 IOVI CONSERVAT AVGG, Jupiter stndng thunderbolt sceptre RARE RIC 193

    MAXIMIANUS:
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    RI MAXIMIANUS HERCULIUS 286-305 CE antoninianus Antioch 292-295 CE CONCORDIA MILITVM Jupiter H-officina 8

    VETRANIO:
    RI Vetranio 350 CE AE3 17mm Siscia mint Emp stdng hldg Standard and Spear.jpg
    RI Vetranio 350 CE AE3 17mm Siscia mint Emp stdng hldg Standard and Spear
     
  14. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    This is the favourite of the abdication folles I have bought thus far:-

    Diocletian - Follis

    Obv:– D N DIOCLETIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, olive branch in right hand, mappa in left
    Rev:– PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch upward in right hand, vertical sceptre in left
    Minted in Cyzicus (not Trier) ( S | F / KS //PTR)
    Reference:– RIC VI Trier 677a (R) (see notes)
    Notes:- This is perhaps one of the most unusual issues in the entire follis series. It is nearly always attributed to Trier (Treveri), but a comparison of portrait styles and an examination of follis hoards reveals that this issue was not struck in Trier but in Cyzicus. Two officinae struck this issue, and the KS in the field between the two figures is actually the mintmark, not the PTR. A look at the coins of Cyzicus (RIC 22-23) shows that the same two officinae struck this issue without the PTR also. The Senior Augustus issues of Diocletian and Maximianus were struck at every mint currently in operation. Apparently, the first coins of this type were prepared at Trier and examples were sent to the various mints for the individual mints to copy. At Cyzicus, the die engravers copied everything, including the Trier mintmark and put their own mintmark in the field. Eventually someone soon realized the mistake and new dies were prepared with the mintmark in its proper location.

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  15. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Here is a slightly later Max Herc issue. from Cyzicus

    Maximianus Herculius - Follis

    Obv:– D N MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right in imperial mantle, olive branch in right hand, mappa in left
    Rev:– PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, branch upward in right hand, vertical sceptre in left
    Minted in Cyzicus (S | F // KD). A.D. 305-306
    Reference:- RIC VI Cyzicus 23b (Scarce)

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  16. dougsmit

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  17. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Alexandria follis for Diocletian

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    And a half follis too

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    and a Max Herc half follis

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  18. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Ticinum

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    Rome

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    I also have some where thay are just designated P F S AVG from Trier
    QVIES
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    and the more usual GENIO POP ROM
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  19. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    My post abdication folles for Diocletian (top) and Maximian (bottom), minted at Trier and Kyzicus, respectively:

    roman38obv.jpg roman38rev.jpg roman68obv.jpg roman68rev.jpg
     
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