99% Sure that this is a Proof 1893 Isabella Quarter...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by iPen, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    I bought this some time ago this year and it's literally been sitting in an acetone bath for weeks due to the dull surface. I took it out today and it's beaming with brilliance like a fresh from the bank coin. At the same time, the mirroring is strong. The edges are extremely sharp. It's a problem-free coin. Thing is, there are only 103 proof Isabella quarters. I went to a coin show today and this one looks just like a Proof-64 example I saw, but in better shape though with less colorful toning and the same amount of brilliant cartwheel luster.

    Do you think that this is a proof coin? Or just a DMPL/PL coin? From what I understand, you can't tell proofs from any die markers, and proof examples supposedly "carry their own credentials" - this coin stood out in exactly that way.

    Thanks in advance and sorry for the poor pics!

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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Dang...that's purty!!!
     
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  4. Lawtoad

    Lawtoad Well-Known Member

    Can you get a picture of the edges? That will help in determining if it is a proof.
     
  5. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

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  6. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Are there any die markers for the proof variety? I'm kinda leaning toward a very well struck MS coin, PL, not proof.
     
  7. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Apparently none that's recorded or known, from what I understand at least.
     
  8. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    That's pretty and very nicely struck, but my gut says business strike. Every proof Isabella that I've ever seen was very obviously a proof with very reflective fields. I'm not basing my judgement solely on the fields though.
     
  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    My gut says mint state. Anthony Swiatek ever frequent these forums?
     
  10. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    It's a beautiful piece!
     
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  11. BruceS

    BruceS Member

    isproof.jpeg here is a proof for reference. not the best picture. yours looks better struck imo, but cant tell either way from photos.
     
  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Goin' out on a limb here Bruce, but if that's a proof I'm a monkeys uncle........
     
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  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    The edge looks slightly rounded in some photos, so I would say business strike. There is another thread someplace on here to search for, that indicated that so few were struck that the business strike was extremely similar to the proof.

    I think Ken is safe. Just IMO.
     
  14. BruceS

    BruceS Member

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    what SEGS got it wrong. ok.
     
  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Those guys are right...........sometimes.
     
  16. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Well, I'd be perfectly happy with a proof-like strike, too. :)

    But, my photo skills are terribad. I tried diffusing the light, using multiple angles for the light, while using multiple light sources, etc.

    Anyway, there's only one way to find out for sure... or at least what NGC will say. I'll be submitting US coins to them soon, so that'll be the perfect time.

    Wow, that one has a nicely contrasting device!
     
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  17. GaryLomax

    GaryLomax I collect, therefore I am

    Please come back and tell us once you find out. Nice coin!!
     
  18. BruceS

    BruceS Member

    "Goin' out on a limb here Bruce, but if that's aproof I'm a monkeys uncle........"

    Well, what is it? Is your nephew a primate or did they get it wrong? I would tend to believe that they would spend a little extra time making sure they got it right knowing there are only 100 of these known. I know Its in a 3rd world slab, but I sure can't tell the difference looking at photos on my phone.
     
  19. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Bruce, my reply was about the original coin by iPen, who I thought Ken was calling Bruce. Jim
     
  20. BruceS

    BruceS Member

    I was quoting @green18. Im on a phone so if I mistakenly quoted you i apologize. As it shows differently on a small screen.
     
  21. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I think deep PL, but nice either way.

    Send it to PCGS
     
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