Anybody familiar with this Roman coin with Lion image?

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  1. KirkCumberland

    KirkCumberland Active Member

    Anybody familiar with this Roman coin with Lion image?

    5.13 gr 22.2mm
     

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  3. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    i'd say it's a provincial Greek, but i'm not sure of who. somebody should be along shortly that has an idea..
     
  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Gregarious is probably right-- Roman Provincial, or pseudoautonomous issue.

    It's going to be tough because of condition and the ubiquity of the iconography. I can almost make out some of the reverse legend so might help-- hopefully it is the city name.

    The lion walking right reminds me of coins from Tarsos, so maybe that's a good place to start. I never have much luck with search engines within Wildwinds so I'd try CNG's archives first ("AE, lion walking right"), noting anything somewhat similar, and then going to that city's page in Wildwinds. Your computer's "find on page" function can be very helpful when browsing Wildwinds.
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Lion walking right reverse types are particularly common on Roman provincial coins from cities in Moesia Inferior and Thrace, such as Marcianopolis, Nikopolis, Pautalia, Philippopolis, Hadrianopolis and Anchialus.

    Coins from these mints typically have "centration dimples" from flan preparation, such as are visible on your coin.

    For these reasons, I suspect this one is from one of these mints. The obverse looks more like Elagabalus than anybody, but could be Caracalla or Geta, too.

    Here's one of Philippopolis of Septimius Severus with a lion walking left (there is also one depicting the lion walking right) from my own collection.

    Severus Philippopolis.jpg
    Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
    Roman Provincial AE 17.7 mm; 4.06 g
    Thrace, Philippopolis
    Obv: [ΑV Κ Λ] CΕVΗΡΟC, laureate and draped bust right
    Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΠΟ[ΛΕΙΤ]-ΩΝ, lion walking left; ox's head before
    Refs: Moushmov 5274 var. (lion walking right); Varbanov 1305
     
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  6. KirkCumberland

    KirkCumberland Active Member

    Would this be a possibility?
    Roman provincial coin, Demos / Lion rt., Philadelphia in Lydia, reverse legend ending NEWKORW N.
     
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  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    CT-KirkCumberland-AElion.jpg
    YES! I was just working on a photoshopped version of that :)
     
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    The long-haired yet male bust does look like Demos and on your coin, the two letters behind the bust could be the corroded remnants of ΔH, plus legible bits of the reverse legend generally fit :)

    Good job, Kirk!

    From Wildwinds:

    WW-Lydia-BMC42.jpg
    Philadelphia, Lydia, AE 23mm, 7.69 g. 198-268 AD. ΔHMOC, youthful head right, long hair bound with taenia, drapery on left shoulder / ΦΛ ΦIΛAΔEΛΦEΩ-N around and in field, NEΩKOΡΩ, N in two lines in ex., lion walking right. BMC 42; Weber 6883; Mionnet IV 547, Kurth, Demos 396.
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's it! Strong work, Kirk!
     
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  10. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    what a neat website you have @TIFF:)
     
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  11. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Maybe similar to this:

    BMC_42.jpg
    Philadelphia, Lydia, AE 23mm, 7.69 g. 198-268 AD. ΔHMOC, youthful head right, long hair bound with taenia, drapery on left shoulder / ΦΛ ΦIΛAΔEΛΦEΩ-N around and in field, NEΩKOΡΩ, N in two lines in ex., lion walking right. BMC 42; Weber 6883; Mionnet IV 547, Kurth, Demos 396.
     
  12. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    welp, there ya go. good hunting!:)
     
  13. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    I was a little late with that one...

    From ISEGRIM:

    ERD: AM
    PRO: LYDIA
    PO : PHILADELPHEIA
    PZ : Between 198 and 268
    TIG: P'L / NEWKORWN
    Obverse
    VSG: DHMOS
    VT : HEAD MAN R / DEMOS
    VA : TAENIA / CLOTHES
    Reverse
    RSG: P'L P'ILADELP'EWN NEWKORWN
    RT : ANIMAL STANDING R / LION
    Technical details
    M : AE
    GR : 23.8(1)
    GEW: 6.41(1) / 4.81(2)
    ST : 06(1)
    Bibliographical references
    ZIT: SNG RIGHETTI 1055(1) <GELOCHT>
    VGL: SLG LINDGREN I 773(2)
    Additional remarks
    FR : VS: DHMOS RS: P'L P'ILADELP'EWN NEWKORWN
     
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