need some help... grade and value

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  1. Tim1979

    Tim1979 New Member

    Got this from a buddy... And not sure of the value or what it would grade.. help please.
     

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  3. jensenbay

    jensenbay Well-Known Member

    The first question is "is it real?"
     
  4. Tim1979

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  6. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    You realize if your "coin" was real, it would be a 5-digit coin...? Sorry, but blurry pics and "got this from a buddy" somehow tells me it's a Chinese counterfeit even w/o taking a closer look at it.


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  7. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    If it were real, you'd be holding it wrong.
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    pretty sure it is a copy
     
  9. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    A real one carries a value of approx $5.000 in VF condistion. You should take it to a coin dealer you trust an see if they can explain to you why it is a fake or not.
    Use it to learn from, But i'm sorry to say you prognosis does not look good so far.
     
  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It's not as if the die pairings of this issue are unknown. There are six varieties known. This is not one of them. Only one of the four obverse dies had a date which didn't touch the curl and the date on this coin is too far from, and too high relative to, the curl for that obverse. It's also too wide. Further, the two top curls of hair on the "correct" coin are directly below the E and R, not the B and E as shown on this coin.

    That obverse was paired with two reverses. Given the appearance of the two leaves under the first T in STATES, the coin shown here could only be the Small Letters variety, B-3/BB-62. Only two B-3's are known, for the record. Here's one of the two, from PCGS CoinFacts:

    1796B3Obv.jpg

    1796B3Rev.jpg

    The reverse is actually not a terrible copy of the true Small Letters Reverse B, which as a matter of record was used in the issues of 4 different years of production (which is why the counterfeiters probably had access to one): 1795, 1796 (three varieties this year), 1797 and 1798. It has the typical problems of appearance which indicate it as immediately fake to the educated eye - denticle structure, letter serifs, too much/too little relief in inappropriate places - but the gross feature locations are pretty accurate.

    It's a counterfeit, beyond any doubt.
     
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