Why Did I Buy This Denarius?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Apr 3, 2017.

  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Last week's mail brought another Flavian gem to my PO box. At first glance it is nothing special - a worn, off-centre, average style Titus 'pulvinaria' denarius. However, there is something interesting to take note of. Can anyone guess why I paid $99 for it (other than the decent price!)?

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    Here is my other example of the type.

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  3. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    I'll take a guess.

    This is a Titus Denarius, RIC 119, RIC [1962] 23a

    It seems to be missing the wings on the thunderbolt?
     
  4. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Because you are obsessed with details? (As a child, you never got the 1909-SVDB cent and didn't get over it?)

    Just kidding!
     
  5. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    the reverse is upside down?!?...><
     
  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Actually I think he's right. There is the wing? on the new coin, and the altar style is different.
     
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  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    @David Atherton is a fan of "The Family Circus" one-panel comic strip and Vespasian's distorted head looks like one of the Keane kids?
     
  9. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    It also has a different drapery with fringes.

    I finally got my 1909-s VDB and 1955/55 Lincoln cents about 5 years ago, just because I can now.
     
  10. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    Here is the Titus Thunderbolt Denarius at wildwinds - seems the rev does vary a bit. #7 is pretty close, but still it has differences too [​IMG]
     
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  11. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    it's a kool type, i've never seen one before.. (i guess it's not upside down)
     
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  12. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I wanna say it has to do with the COS V and what looks like a T instead of l for lll.

    Looks far from a clogged die.

    I see the wing others point out too.
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Well, David => I sure hope that the reason is it's sweet toning ... man, that's a rugged lookin' coin!! (congrats)

    Oh, but I actually agree with Curtisimo (your cool new OP-example seems to be missing the wings on the thunderbolt)
     
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  14. alde

    alde Always Learning

    I think it's the wings on the T-Bolt to. Is it also from a different mint? The style is quite a bit different, at least to my uneducated eyes. I would have paid the price for it for sure just because I like it.
     
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  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Same reason I collect FH. We're crazy
     
  16. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I think Curt, Mat and Val have already mentioned all the reasons I can think of....meaning all of the above LOL
     
  17. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I agree with Mat.
    The T on the reverse
     
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  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    You folks are a smart group! It is indeed the wingless thunderbolt that made the coin of interest to me. In the new RIC II the type is described as having a 'winged thunderbolt'. However, the type is sometimes seen with a 'wingless thunderbolt'. The upcoming RIC II Addenda takes note of this and has assigned the 'wingless' type its own catalogue number - RIC 119A.

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    Titus
    AR Denarius, 3.31g
    Rome Mint, 80 AD
    RIC 119A, BMC 51 var., RSC, 316
    Obv: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: TR P IX IMP XV COS VIII P P; Seat, draped; above, wingless thunderbolt
    Acquired from Yesterday's Change, March 2017.

    This denarius was part of a series struck for the lectisternium (religious ceremony) celebrating the opening of the Colosseum in 80 AD.

    Each god had its own sacred couch, in Latin they are known as 'pulvinaria', brought out in pairs in the Forum or some such public space. The series commemorates these sacred couches which were set out with 'exuviae' (emblems) representing the gods. The above coin most likely shows the 'pulvinar' of Jupiter and Juno.
     
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  19. alde

    alde Always Learning

    David, thank you for the explanation of the series. I would guess this coin is part of the same series. Titus throne denarius.png
     
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  20. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    That goes without saying!

    It reminds me of the Hot Wheels collector in this segment.
     
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  21. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Yes. And I won't get into the fact that particular type comes in a few variations!
     
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