not sure if this should be in the error forum, not sure if varieties are technically considered errors. i have both cherry picker guides and decided to go through a lot of my coins, there are a few that have something similar to some of the varieties listed in the books. i was wondering if someone could see if they are legit varieties or am i seeing something i want to that isn't really there. first is a 1962 d dime. book says it is a vertical m/m over horizontal. mine looks like its a re punched m/m. but its not listed in the book. next are two 1935 nickels. i just can't get a good photo of it. in the book there are two different varieties on doubling on "five cents". the first photo looks like it has minor doubling on the top of most the letters especially on the two E's and N. in the previous nickel on top of the T it looks like it has two horns for lack of better words. on this nickel it looks like a cross, something coming out of the top of the T and almost the whole thing looks doubled. so, am i seeing stuff or are these varieties of the varieties? new varieties? nothing? any insight would be greatly appreciated.
sorry for the mediocre photos but i think they are for the most part good enough to see what i am seeing. i was surprised at how many varieties were listed for roosevelt dimes, looks like im going to have to start going through all my 90% now
The dime appears to be the D/horizontal D, it's just so dang tough to photograph RPMs up close. Nice crisp photo of that one. Can you get in closer to the buffaloes?
i'll give it a shot but zooming in on the photos i put up you can see a lot of what i am talking about
I can clearly see it when I zoom in - the RPM on the dime, and the DDR's in the Buffalos. Nice finds! But I'm no expert. Maybe somebody will come along and call them machine doublings...
i think the first photo of the "cross" nickel shows more. but after posting the photos and zooming in i see more then what i saw with the loupe
They all suffer from deterioration of the dies. In the first, it is not a repunched as the second image doesn't have the shape/size for s secondary punch, the part to the bottom of the "D" is from deterioration. Since the "D" is raised, the part making it is recessed. The edges of this recessed part wears, and abrades during use, producing a slight raised area around the "D" when striking. This can often be very confusing, but a repunch of a Mint mark punch remains the same. The letter in the buffaloes is the same type of cause. IMO. Jim
so basically the die strikes so many coins and by the end of its life the design on the actual die has worn away leaving excess room for the blank to go into? i have re typed this previous sentence at least ten times, hopefully i have worded it where it makes sense
in post 7 the first photo, on the E in five the bottom line of the E looks like it is spilled out now that i have your thought in my mind, is that a tell of die deterioration?
Usually on older coins that were before the single squeeze hubbing and die trails. The dies are much harder than the copper or copper nickel coin alloys and as the dies strike the planchet, the coin metal is forced into the recesses to produce the raised parts, such as the "E" you mention and the mint mark "D". As it flows by force it is like an abrasive on the edges of the recessed areas. There can be large areas affected or smaller grooves. Generaally if the damage becomes too noticeable, the minter would stop the press and the die would be repaired or replaced ( especially if there are large cracks) Jim
is this another case of a deteriorated die? this is a 1962 quarter. i am assuming the recesses parts of the die can chip off as well was wear down? the top right of the second T looks pretty sharp. and again sorry for the mediocre photos, it took about 50 shots to get this one.
The edge can abrade, chip, start a die crack, etc. You will notice these in relation to the size and depth of the die recess. Smaller/steeper recesses, which produces the raised portion on the planchet will typically be under the highest pressure. Lettering, Dates, Mintmarks, much more often than the larger/more gentle sloped devices such as Washington's bust outline. I have seen very few "warts" on the edge of the bust's outline such as neck or nose.
Hi all, I decided to order the Cherry Pickers guide. Received it late last night and glanced though it. Sorta interesting. I would think the book would be more sturdy and well made (talking about the pages). Hard back book with spiral on the inside and the pages stick together. So you have to be real careful not to rip the pages.
