In roll searching (OBW) the new dollars these 2 Washington P Dollars are my personnal best finds. What do you think these are? The first is a D above the crown on the rev. The 2nd & 3rd pictures are of the same coin and I see a S & T clearly.
nickelman: The 1st, with the D is neat. The other two may be from a hit with another coin's rim in a bag, they look indented.
If that "D" is raised, it is probably a contact mark from the edge of another coin. My eyes aren't up to the job of seeing the other "letters".
I was wondering about that? But then how would another coin make contact down in the field? The D appears to be raised from the field and No D on the Dollar Coin is that size? Maybe I should send this to Collectors Clearinghouse. What do ya'll think?
Huh? If it was a contact make it would be incuse (dented in) and not raised. To be raised, it would have had to happen on the die (dented into the die) which would form a raised area on the finished coin. Much the same as on the regular coin's details.
I think he meant that it could be a contact mark of the lettered edge on the dollar coins, but maybe I misunderstood...
naaa..then wouldnt the coin have a dent in order to get a raised D? The D is raised on a smooth surface. The letter on the cheek looks like a P to me
I suppose so... Can dropped letters leave indents on the die? Of not, what else could it possibly be? I'm not an error expert, but I don't remember hearing anything about a letter being way off into the field, except with dropped letters.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the presidential dollars I have seen have incused lettering on their edges, which could result in a raised letter impression if the edge of one coin hit the field of another coin with enough force.
This is just me, but that would either a really soft and warm coin, or one heck of a hard hit... dropped letter was my first assumption
yes, the dropped letters (from a filled die, usually from grease) can caused a raised area. However, how do you get a dropped letter from the rim, when that is a separate process, and is no where near the die?
Now that I think about it the S&T on the face are raised also. Set back in but raised. I would think if this was from contact from the bag they would be incused?
No. The gunk is hard enough to cause indents in the planchet upon striking, but not in the hardened steel of the dies. No they can't, they cause incused areas on the coin. You also can't have a dropped letter from the edge because the edge letters are formed by raised features in the die, so they CAN"T fill with grease and drop out. To get a "dropped" letter, an entire letter would have to break off the edge die and then somehow make it's way back to the coining press. Twiggs is correct. With a hard enough impact you can get a raised letter in a smooth field, but the flat area of the edge would also create a dent in the field of the coin. Co you would have a "raised" D in an incuse rectangle.
Also found a couple of these. Sold one on ebay for around $7.00 I think (More than $5 but less than $10 anyway) and kept this one for myself. Another post about someone selling raccoon eye Jefferson Dollars reminded me of this.
