83 P Roosevelt

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Pop70, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Pop70

    Pop70 Active Member

    I guess one could say this is part 2 of my learners confusion, and once again beg of you to further my education please. (hope I am not being a pest here once again). Found this 83 P dime, and as the photo shows has vast amounts of doubling??? (keeping fingers crossed). Think once I do find one, will put it on a placard, on the desk with the inscription "found One" lol... I sometimes wonder just how many real doubles I have returned into circulation through my lack of experience and ignorance, but the good side there is it gives the next guy a chance. Just a lot of enjoyment, and makes the wife feel like a golf widow ...lol So all that being said, please pass your judgment on this one. (Did learn to take a photo of both sides, so thank you there). NOTE I did label the obverse incorrectly, but the photo shows that, apologies there.
     

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Hi, @Pop70 !

    Please go to the blackboard and write 100 times, "Flat and shelf-like is indicative of machine doubling!"

    Chris
     
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  4. Pop70

    Pop70 Active Member

    Ok I an do that, tu :) Now is the flat and shelf like on the top or bottom or maybe both Please ? I just think the world of you all and totally amazed at the knowledge that is here. Thank you again
     
  5. CatW

    CatW Member

    Imagine a shelf..you place things on top of the shelf. So a "shelf-like" appearance will be the bottom.
     
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  6. Pop70

    Pop70 Active Member

    Well now that's easy enough to remember, thank you ever so much. Now to train the ole eyeballs. thank you again.
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I think there are a few members who need to write this 1000 times! :banghead:
     
  8. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Let me just say welcome. It's always nice to see other people take interest in error coin collecting. I'm sure you've done a little research on doubling but here is the site I highly recommend,
    Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties
    doubleddie.com And yes there are plenty other sites out there that can give you help on this. Do a little research on your own and then if you're still not sure post on CT to see what others think.Error coin collecting can be a lot of fun but it can also be very frustrating sometimes.And another thing that I found very helpful is to watch some of the videos on YouTube about United States coin production. Like everything in the world change happens every day, and in coin production it's no different. What they did 10 years ago they may not do today it's very hard to keep up with the changes. USMC60
     
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  9. cpm9ball

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    True! I just didn't know if our blackboard would be big enough.

    Chris;)
     
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  10. Pop70

    Pop70 Active Member

    Thank you so very much, I have been there, I think 3 times. I still don't understand the language and wish there were more photos to go along with what is being listed. Would make things a lot better for we just new.
    Now or the life of me cannot remember where it was I saw this posted, but if you look at chimney rock, there is excess metal on the RIGHT near the top, I found this one with Excess metal on the Left, Pretty unusual to me anyway.
     

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  11. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Let me just say I've been around collecting errors for about 18 years now. It's not that I don't get the language it's just that I disagree with a lot of the language. Example past tense, grease fill die was established back in the past. This is 2017 I believe the appropriate change would be debris fill die. A lot of old-timers on CT do not believe in change or things should be changed. Well it's a fact of life change is there. Whether we like it or not. They did not produce coins the same way when the term grease fill die was established. It seems nobody has informed you about the search box above your avatar on the right side put in what you're searching for and see what other members may have posted about an individual coin even the one that you may be posting. As far as the pic you're showing here's a thread of mine you may be interested in . Nebraska chips I tried my best to bring up the link that's on page 78 or you can just go up to the search and put in Nebraska chips and it should bring up a list of the threads for Nebraska chips USMC60
     
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  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I agree. In fact the attribution NGC uses is just STRUCK THRU
     
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  13. cpm9ball

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    From your photo, it's hard for me to tell if it is raised or recessed, but I'll assume that it is raised. That would make it a die break caused by some of the die metal breaking away, and when the planchet is struck, metal flows into the void. (It's like the bank of a stream that breaks away during flooding.)

    The thing about die breaks and die cracks is that you can never predict where they will occur. I remember searching $250 Mint bags of Utah SQ's, and I found different die breaks all over the reverse of dozens of specimens. On the other hand, when I searched Mint bags of Georgia SQ's, I found 7-8 different die cracks that appeared on, both, the obverse and reverse.

    Chris
     
  14. cpm9ball

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    I don't think any of the grading services list "Must have strong command of the English language." as a prerequisite for employment. (This also goes for some of the error specialists in the field.)

    For many years, I've said that the word "strikethrough" should be used on the insert when the material responsible for the strikethrough is unknown, but when the material is known, the term "struck through" should be used. For example, if it is known that a strikethrough was caused by a length of wire, then it should be noted on the insert as "Struck through (or thru) wire".

    Yeah, you can go ahead and call me OCD, but I just get tired of reading all of the sloppy English used by so many people.

    Chris
     
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  15. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Since you and I have disagreed on many occasions. Why should this be different. You use the word sloppy English. I live in South Florida I'm lucky to hear English in any form. And if you are a bartender like you say you know some Of your patrons at the end of the night would be lucky to speak English at all and you should know that you decide to consider us being lucky on CT not having too many young millennial's and their slanging talk we would be totally lost. I'm sure we have members out there that have kids and know exactly what I'm talking about. But being in the public not everyone is aware of coin terminology. And it would be nice if we could teach everybody the right terminology but you have to face the facts people that are not into collecting do not really care about the proper terminology. and the proper terminology in coins has its flaws to. And as of your last statement please check out the last pic on my debris fill die thread and let me know what you would call that since that is production debris that happened to be on a coin that I received hopefully in the box I may have some struck through's with this actual debris. But I still have about 1500 coins to go through. Basically what you'll see in the pic is not little pieces a wire but little pieces of shavings. USMC60
     
  16. Pop70

    Pop70 Active Member

    Wow learning again, thank you. From what I can tell, the "clump" (had to through that in there lol) is raised what I found most unusual was like I mentioned I did see the basically same thing posted somewhere but it was on the EAST side of the mountain, where as this one same shape and location (North/South) is on the West.
    Going to the site suggested now ; thank you.
     
  17. Pop70

    Pop70 Active Member

    Was just at the Nebraska chips .... I read some place that "cuds" are only applicable to the rim, Confusing but that's how I walk around normally anyway lol.
     
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