Persian Daric in Carradice

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  1. Deltoo

    Deltoo Member

    Hi

    I have one Daric and am trying to better identify its period of issue. It seems like the only publication that may do this (open to other ideas please) is "Carradice. I. Coinage and Administration in the Athenian and Persian Empires. British Archaeological Reports 343. Oxford. 1987. The Ninth Oxford Symposium on Coinage and Monetary History, BAR 343, Oxford, 1987, pp. 73-95."

    From internet searches the coin would appear to be Type III that covers (via http://www.coinproject.com/search_e...&region=PERSIA&city=Achaemenid-Empire&type=12):
    Darius I, 521-486 BC
    Xerxes, 486-465 BC
    Artaxerxes I, 465-425 BC
    Darius II, 424-405 BC
    Artaxerxes II, 405-359 BC
    Cyrus, 401 BC
    Artaxerxes III, 359-338 BC

    I should like place it in a subgroup (A/B or C?) which I presume narrows it down within the various rulers.

    Can anyone help please?
     

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  3. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Post the reverse, it might help.
     
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  4. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I captured one from CNG Numismatic in a recent auction. I trust their attributions as they are a very reputable organization. This is how the attributed mine - straight from their listing:

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    PERSIA, Achaemenid Empire. temp. Darios I to Xerxes II. Circa 485-420 BC. AV Daric (14mm, 8.30 g). Lydo-Milesian standard. Sardes mint. Persian king or hero, wearing kidaris and kandys, quiver over shoulder, in kneeling-running stance right, holding spear in right hand, bow in left / Incuse punch. Carradice Type IIIb, Group A/B (pl. XIII, 27); Meadows, Administration 321; BMC Arabia pl. XXIV, 26. VF. Well centered and struck.

    A little over 1/4 TOZ of Ancient Gold is a very nice feeling in-hand!
     
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  7. Deltoo

    Deltoo Member

    Thanks to everyone who has replied - very helpful. I've also added the reverse it that may help further. Rev 5rs.jpg
     
  8. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

  9. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Welcome Deltoo - I'm afraid I can't help with your answer, but wanted to say I love your avatar!
     
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  10. Deltoo

    Deltoo Member

    Thanks FitzNigel - it's an attractive coin!
     
  11. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    The part I highlighted and bolded should be performing reverse lunge

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  12. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Oh welcome @Deltoo hopefully you stick around and share some more of your collection.
     
  13. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    hahaha! now if she were only holding a bow and spear....
     
  14. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    There are a huge number of variants of daric obverces images in details. So, it can be a real puzzle to feel a dating correctly. My oppinion about OP coin - this is late Type III (450-375 BC).
     
  15. Deltoo

    Deltoo Member

    Thanks Ivan, still not sure though! Looking at all the feedback quoted above the main differences appear (from gregarious's reference above to Siglos)

    Type IIIb (early). Xerxes I - Darius II, c. 485 - 420 BC.
    Drapery with naturalistic fold over the advanced left knee (assume this is Type IIIb Group A/B?)
    and​
    Type IIIb (late). Artaxerxes I - Artaxerxes II, c. 450 - 375 BC. c. 5.55 - 5.60 g.
    Stylistic drapery with broad semi-circular sweep of folds from the left knee back to the right heel (assume this is Type IIIb Group C?)

    and examples in another reference found:
    http://www.coinproject.com/search_e...&region=PERSIA&city=Achaemenid-Empire&type=12

    Looking at the siglos and the coinproject link my coin appears more similar to the earlier Type IIIb Group A/B (????) as arnoldoe also mentions above.

    BUT appreciate any further comments from yourself or anyone on this as my little knowledge is based on what you've all kindly replied!

    Thanks.
     
  16. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    Daric_small.jpg @Deltoo it looks like we have a similar or very close reverce punch in yours and mine examples of darics.
     
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  17. Deltoo

    Deltoo Member

    Hi Ivan

    Thanks for the response. I'd agree that they're very similar- what dates have been given to yours? I'm keen to pin mine down to some dates!

    Regards

    Derek
     
  18. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    Derek, my daric I have buy privately. I have give dates to yours and mine above: 450-375 BC. I think it is precisious enought. May be our darics from that 3000 darics given by Cyrus Younger to his diviner as Xenophont write at his Anabasis :):woot: They are the same period :shame: (Joking :))
     
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  19. Deltoo

    Deltoo Member

    Thanks Ivan. Excellent - I will use the dates you have.
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That would be a GREAT story if you could ever trace it! :)
     
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