What grade do you think this is? Is it a proof?

http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/30414430_max.jpg

 

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*Never mind it is a proof.

 

That is what I was leaning towards. Gradewise I thought at least 65 also.

 

I know this coin. And it is a matte proof. And it graded PF-66RB
Look: http://www.pcgs.com/cert/30414430

 

The link you posted has the cert number in it 30414430

 

Someone is trying to pull a fast one.
Larry pelf is that you?

 

Looks like they have a 1909 MPL in their avatar as well

 

OP i just noticed you are from Columbus, ever go to the monthly show in Hilliard?

 

No I haven't been to any shows in a long time. I should definitely check that Hilliard show out you mentioned. I didn't even know about it!
I collect Matte proofs and this one recently came up in a private email discussion as looking unusual for a proof.
I was just curious what the coin community had to say about it.

 

COME ON MAN...You can see them round rims from across the room LOL... And you know I ain't about to spend no more money on Proof until all the Dust has settled...REAL TALK...!!!!

 

Larry, are you thinking of putting together a collection of matte proofs?

 

You know I'm about about to Top all you MPL guys you can feel it can't you LOL..You guys have created a MPL Monster and my set will prove it...Just got Flinn's book and in my mind l was thinking less words more photos...So it's still room for a better book on these MPL's (that's just my thoughts)...LP

 

There are some very beautiful matte proofs in the registry sets of them at PCGS if you are interested. I love looking at those and it has helped fire my interest in MPLs. Some of them even have been "named". There is a 1912 called "The Greenie" and there are others too although I can't think of them just right now. If you start searching around old articles and so forth, you'll sometimes come across these.

There truly are some awesome MPLs out there and now is a pretty good time to look into buying. Prices aren't that bad right now, at least not like they were about 8 years ago. Some years are actually very reasonable considering how few were made.

I think you should go for it! Put together a real "looker set" and knock our socks off!

 

new term for matte proof like lincoln cent = MUTT POOF!!

 

Don't you require things like....fact? Inventing your own facts doesn't get you there.

 

agree with you larry, Mr. Flynn is also supposed to be working on a proof book
for buffalo nickels, he been working on that one for a long time

 

66 RBMPL

 

I don't take every word written by Kevin Flynn is Gospel. That's not how the process works. However, it's not hard to understand there's good reason to believe the conclusions of people who have spent years studying a given issue, going through thousands upon thousands of them in order to be able to understand certain generalizations.

So if Kevin Flynn tells me - for instance - that 1909 MPL's were only struck from one obverse, I'm not taking that as the undisputed truth. I'm taking that as the accumulated knowledge as we know it today, coming from someone who's in a better position via experience than anyone else to be able to make such conclusions. He wasn't "wrong" when the second die pair came to light; he was just presented with proof that previous knowledge was incomplete. So he refined the knowledge.

That's how science works, and at this level numismatics is science. The same rules apply. It's just that some people refuse to understand the scientific process.

 

Well said, Sir!

 

SUPERDAVE you about to write a book too...??? Your choice of words sound like it..LP