1827 bust half dollar help with varietie ?

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  1. Januss

    Januss New Member

    Hi , I would like to ask if anyone knows what varietie /Overton number this would fall under or if I have made a new discovery here ? It is an 1827 bust half dollar which appears to have the 21 obverse but the reverse is puzzling as it doesn't appear to be the dotted beak O-148 varietie I have no clue as I cannot find any pictures or other coins with these distinctive die marks above the shield I have every book on these coins and cannot find anything about this . Thanks much ! IMG_9884.JPG IMG_9885.JPG IMG_9889.JPG IMG_9890.JPG IMG_9891.JPG IMG_9892.JPG IMG_9893.JPG IMG_9886.JPG IMG_9888.JPG
     
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  3. NSP

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  4. McBlzr

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  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    O-131, I think. Have a look at a couple at Heritage - you'll see those marks above the shield.
     
  6. Januss

    Januss New Member

    Thanks everyone, I will check those sites and get back with what I find out
     
  7. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    SuperDave has this one. It is O-131. The same obverse die as the OP thought, but a second marriage this time with the X reverse rather than the "dotted beak" AG reverse die. Even later in its life the 21 obverse die was paired with reverse Z to form the 133 die pair.


    And yes, McBlzr, 1827 has 49 different die marriages--the most of any year.
     
  8. Januss

    Januss New Member

    Hi okbustchaser , Yes I see it thank you for putting this to bed. Also can I ask what do you think in way of value for it ? It is much nicer in hand has lots of luster but that scratch has me worried though.
     
  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That scratch will lower the value by about 30-40%. If it has been cleaned (and the pictures suggest that it might be, though I am not certain), then expect about a 50-70% reduction in value.

    Also, it is spelled "variety". ;)
     
  10. Januss

    Januss New Member

    It might have an old cleaning and yes you are correct "variety" sorry bout that my mind is not functioning today too much partying :dead:
     
  11. Januss

    Januss New Member

    While I'm at it does anyone want to take a shot at this 1857 Flying eagle which I believe is a Judd 187a but not sure if it even is. Appears to have all of the characteristics I think ? but just not sure if it is. Maybe one of you guys know better ? IMG_9801.JPG IMG_9802.JPG IMG_9805.JPG IMG_9806.JPG IMG_9807.JPG
     
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  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    This would not be the first Business Strike I've seen with this gouge. For example:

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/flying-eag...38-184.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
     
  13. Januss

    Januss New Member

    Ahhhh yes I see, thank you for finding that, I figured it was too good to be true ! Well I just want to say thank you to everyone for putting the effort in helping me out it's been a real pleasure ! Hope I find more interesting coins in the near future. Nite for now.
     
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