Two 1901-S 10c - guess the grades

I tend to watch auctions for coins I already own, just to see what they sell for. One of these is mine, the other is in a current auction. Both PCGS. I thought comparing the two might be interesting for the forum members. What grade(s) do you think they are?

 

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Top F-12 Bottom F-15

 

I'm going to guess the both graded F-12.

The top coin looks like it has slightly more detail, but it also has an old cleaning which I think brought the grade down a point.

 

VG 10 old cleaning id details it and F12

 

F details, cleaned and VF-20.

 

First one, obverse is pretty warn, going with F-12 the second one is better Vf-20

 

Fine-12, top

VG-8, bottom.

 

F 15 F 12

 

I like the top one better but it has been cleaned. It has a hair more detail.

 

I like top one better.

 

Thanks for all the guesses! So far some of you are close but I think you'll be surprised. I'll wait until later today Thailand time to reveal.

 

I would say the first coin is F-15 and second is F-12. I don't think either coins is cleaned - but no expert on these. I think overall the first coin just shows a little more detail than the second coin - but not by much in my opinion.

 

Top coin (being auctioned) is PCGS VF25.
Bottom coin (purchased Nov 2023) is PCGS VG10.

So PCGS thought there was a 15 point difference between the two. @ksmooter61 was the grader for the first one and @johnmilton was closest on the second.

I paid $245 all in for mine on ebay. I recall it was a real auction and feeling that I overpaid a bit. The top coin is currently $404 with BP and we'll see what it hammers for in about 20 hours. I like mine better.