Won this SULLA today

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow, I was pleased.

    I like the history around Lucius Cornelius Sulla...

    So, I bid and won this cool Denarius today.

    Kinda a "Veni, Vidi, Vici" by Caesar moment... Hey, and Sulla ALMOST killed that GJ Caesar when he was a young lad, and Sulla was cleaning house around Rome.

    Here is a little history on Sulla:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla

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    Roman Republic
    L. Manlius Torquatus and L. Cornelius Sulla. 82 BCE
    AR denarius (17 mm, 3.72 g, 12 h).
    Military mint moving with Sulla.
    Obv: L · MANLI before, PR[O · Q] behind, helmeted head of Roma right
    Rev: L · SVLLA · IM in exergue, Sulla, togate, driving triumphal quadriga right, holding branch and reins; above, Victory flying left, crowning Sulla with wreath.
    Ref: Crawford 367/3; Sydenham 759; Manlia 7; Sear 286. Auction comment: Nicely toned, light rub on cheek. Very fine.

    POST ANY SULLA or any other cool coins from this time!
     
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I've been eyeing these Roman republics of late - loving all the different designs. And who doesn't like Sulla?? (Aside from Marius, obviously...)

    Love the coin @Alegandron !
     
  4. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    It's a type I've done a special study of, but for now, here's my best example. Note the different configuration of the quadriga; a detail missed by Crawford that turns out to be significant:

    Phil (66).JPG
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    The Republic is beckoning you!

    Eschew the Medieval chaos and Embrace the Republic! :D :D :D
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Would love to see your study if it is available!
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Those are well detailed examples @Alegandron and @Volodya

    L CORNELIUS SULLA.jpg
    L CORNELIUS SULLA & L MALIUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS CORNELIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Helmeted head of Roma right, L MANLI PROQ
    REVERSE: Triumphator in quadriga right, crowned by Victory, L SVLLA IMP in ex.
    Rome 82 BC
    3.9g, 17mm
    Cr367/5; Cornelia39
    L CORNELIUS SULLA FELIX.jpg
    L CORNELIUS SULLA FELIX ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS CORNELIA
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: Diademed head of Venus right
    REVERSE: Double cornucopiae; Q below
    Rome 81 BC
    3.77g, 19mm
    Cr 375/2; Syd 755; Cornelia 33
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice denarii!
     
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  9. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    It's a study of the numbered reverse dies of the issue. It sort of is available. There's a version in the Celator, but that may not be available online. I've attached a larger paper by Bernhard Woytek that incorporates the most important parts of my study. Pages 88-91 deal with L. Manlius Torquatus. I can post images of some of my examples later if anyone's interested.
     

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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I would be very interested in seeing the images!
     
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  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Very nice example!
     
  12. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful score @Alegandron!!!

    LOVE yours too @Volodya !

    I have none of that specific type but do have a Venus/Cornucopiae that @Bing posted and this one I've posted numerous times.

    Faustus Cornelius Sulla. AR Denarius (18-19 mm, 3.44 g). Rome, 56 BC.
    Obv. FAVSTVS , diademed and draped bust of Diana right, crescent above, lituus behind.
    Rev. FELIX , Sulla seated left on raised platform between King Bocchus of Mauretania on left, presenting him with wreath, and King Jugurta of Numidia on right, hands bound behind him, both kneeling.

    rr sulla denarius.jpg

    The moneyer of this coin was the son of the dictator Sulla. The reverse commemorates one of the most important events of his father’s early career: the capture of Jugurtha. Jugurtha was a Numidian prince who had served in the Roman auxiliary cavalry, but who had come to blows with the Romans. Metellus Numidicus was given command to defeat Jugurtha, but Jugurtha was proving a wily adversary and through several campaigning seasons Numidicus was unable to defeat him. In 107 BC one of his legates, Marius, who disagreed with Numidicus’ strategy for prosecuting the war, gained the consulship and also command in Numidia. However, Jugurtha was proving just as slippery for Marius as he had been for Numidicus. One of Marius’ junior officers was Sulla, and he managed to capture Jugurtha through a ruse. He invited both Jugurtha and Bocchus, the King of Mauretania and Jugurtha’s father-in-law, to a meeting. In advance of the meeting he had convinced Bocchus to betray Jugurtha, and when Jugurtha arrived unarmed his attendants were ambushed and Jugurtha was captured. Bocchus immediately handed him over to Sulla. Sulla had a signet ring engraved showing the event, and the reverse of this coin may be a direct copy of that signet ring.
     
  13. RAGNAROK

    RAGNAROK Naebody chaws me wi impunitY

    Coool coin! Congrats!! ;)
     
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  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice catch! Triskeles had a handsome handful of RR's today. Sigh...so many coins, so little money, lol.
     
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  15. RAGNAROK

    RAGNAROK Naebody chaws me wi impunitY

    Amazing!!! :wideyed:
     
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  16. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice examples Alengandron/ Volodya/Mikey!
    I do not have any from this guy/ but will try my best to get one in future auction.
     
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  17. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Here's my "discovery" coin that got me interested in this issue; control no. I. There turn out to be other examples, in Paris and probably elsewhere, but I was the first to notice its importance. It also is, incidentally, an example of the very rare Crawford 367/1 with a variant obverse legend placement; L M behind Roma's head. The I is barred, resembling a T behind the figure of Sulla on the reverse:

    Phil (67).JPG
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    How is determined to be a control letter I with a single bar vs. being a T?
     
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  19. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Nice coin @Alegandron
    I'm really starting to like some of them RRs. The reverse always looks so cool, sooner or later I'm going to end up getting one.
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have been collecting RR's for several years. Started with many "poor-man's" denarii just to get into the history. Then, began to fill in some of the history slots. They are incredibly diverse, and fun to find.
     
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  21. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Some other numbered dies:

    Control VI (before horses):
    Control VI Obv.jpg Control VI Rev.jpg

    Control X (behind Sulla):
    Control X Obv.jpg Control X Rev.jpg
     
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