ANACS vs NGC

Which goes back to the flaw in the system with the hard line dividing AU from Uncriculated. You either say its wear and its a 58 or the coin is a 64 because that is what it would be if there's no wear

You should, you don't have to use a service to recognize that they have experts there that you can learn from.

 

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And people with attitudes that I can learn even more from, about their attitudes.

 

Speaking of which, watch refereeing change noticeably as we approach the tourney final. It's life. Deal.

 

I don't think the graders at any of the major services struggle with it or even have disagreements about it very much, they may disagree if it is enough to knock something in AU but that's another conversation. I was mostly referring to the criticism the TPGs get from people saying x detail is missing from y it has to be AU when it was never struck in the first place.

Completely agree. If you're buying its MS if your selling its AU. Major reason why grading has gotten as popular as it is and the days of an all raw coin hobby won't be coming back.

 

The irony is that when one looks at the Pleiades on plates, only 6 stars make it above normal vision naked eye visibility.

 

I am more interested in substance than how it is presented to me. I don't want a social doctor that is okay, I want the jerk that is the best. Plenty of experts in all fields in all walks of life aren't necessarily the person you would most want to have a beer with, but if they have substance I can learn from them.

 

That's not what I just read to confirm what I remembered about the instructors statement.

 

Count 'em up yourself. Taurus' shoulder, just near Orion.

 

On balance, I find the experts at NGC just as informative, just as useful, just as experienced, just as valuable, without the attitude on steroids. Therefore I have determined that PCGS is simply not worth my time. My time on this planet is finite and shrinking fast, and dealing with people like them is simply life cycles wasted.

They want to "worship" their dealer network? Fine, I'm not a dealer, nor do I have a high opinion of very many of them. Concentrate on the dealer, or concentrate on people like me. They chose. I responded.

 

OMG...I guess you should advocate for a name change of the cluster to the "SIX Sisters!"

Good Luck!

 

I just wanna testify...

NGC just posted the grades on the six-coin submission I left with them at Orlando, just last week. One week ago TODAY!

No disappointments.
Three made exactly what I thought they would.
Two were pleasant surprise grades.
One was and "OMG! I never DREAMED it would grade that high!"

Declared value is now WAY too low.

 

BTW, the OMG was precisely one of those 58/64 thingies.

 

what did it grade?

 

The analogy is more apt than you think. Under completely dark skies, with completely dark-adapted normal vision, you can see at least 12, and possibly more. (Limiting magnitude for the unaided human eye under ideal skies was typically taken as 6; there are 12 Pleiades brighter than that. Many people can see down to 6.5 if conditions are good enough.)

But people today are more interested in 24-hour "security" lighting, and loath to drag their eyes away from their screens for half an hour or more to get fully dark-adapted anyhow. So, when I look up at night from my house, I'm lucky to make out more than 4. But my corrected vision still gets graded as "uncirculated", er, "20/20".

Edit: No, Kurt, I don't want to hear about the night skies where you are. It's quite enough of a sore subject with me as it is. (Actually, while you're bound to have better skies than me, you're still well within the light dome for Philly. New York and Baltimore, too, for that matter.)

 

isn't your vision correctly graded at MS details, jeff?

 

Nope, still all original surfaces, at least for now. They don't take points off for variations in curvature.

 

64. I frankly had it figured at 55.

But that squares with what happened in the Silliman/ANA course. I was way tougher on lots of stuff in that range.

It was a less common variety of the date/MM. I wonder if that made a difference. I agree, it shouldn't.

 

One of the more interesting articles I have recently read is Rick Snows' PDS grading system. It's on Eagle Eye's webpage: https://www.indiancent.com/index.php/blog. He has an interesting idea. He talks about grading coins on planchet, die, and strike.

 

Yeah, it's a directional crapshoot. Overhead is nice. SE and E gets Philly glow. N is Reading. SW is Lancaster. Reading, PA throws up more light pollution than an economic basket case has any right to. A few years ago, it made "most impoverished city in the USA".

 

Best thing about that system is he's using it even if nobody else does. He basically IS the market for high end Indian cents. Much like Cline was for Standing Libs.